lol why is this post downvoted? this is an archive sub and this is something that verifiably really happened. I'm not even American and it disgusts me that these people are celebrating. And this sub is downvoting this post? stop this performative nonsense.
Exactly. They’re being/have been slaughtered for decades by the U.S. backed Israeli government. I’m an American and I love my country but I don’t love most of the U.S. government policies of my lifetime and how the get involved with so many regimes that have committed mass atrocities just so it benefits the U.S. in some way shape or form. We like to think ourselves the good guys but our government tends to be the bad guys in many parts of the world or at least we back the bad guys.
True, but you also have to have a lack of basic empathy if your reaction to hearing thousands of innocent people dying is to celebrate it and praise God.
Regardless if your ethnic group is being slaughtered for decades by a country backed by the US.
It’s like Americans celebrating in the streets in response to Palestinian deaths during the second intifada after seeing their reaction to 9/11.
It’s just gross. It can be rationalized, but it’s still celebrating innocent people dying while pointing at innocent people dying as justification for it
I think Russia is the “bad guy”, however i don’t celebrate in the streets when i hear a mass civilian casualty event, like the ISIS Moscow attack
Celebrating The deaths of civilians in a terror attack, even for a country you dislike is pretty disgusting. People can try and rationalize it around oppression and slaughter for years, but if Ukrainians filled the streets celebrating a large scale terror attack on Russians, it would equally be disgusting
Users slam the downvote button when they don't like something, since the dawn of time. Since the creation of the shite system it's been told to users to vote based on if something is worthy to the conversation, clearly since day 0 no one has voted that way. Never has.and I've always mourned that fact ....
I've long held that any terrorism, regardless of the motivation behind it should be resisted and eliminated, both ideologically, but also physically, but by examining why it happens, and taking care of the root issues peacefully (diplomacy, aid, outreach) instead of just violence can have long term dividends in the success of anti terror operations. Anger, indiscriminate killing, and villainization of a people as a whole only raises the next generation of terrorists.
I agree that understanding why terrorism happens is important, but I think this puts too much weight on “grievances” and suffering as causes of terrorism.
Most people who experience severe injustice or hardship don’t become terrorists, while many terrorists have not personally suffered significant deprivation. The 9/11 hijackers are a good example: most were Saudis from relatively privileged backgrounds. Al-Qaeda exploited perceived grievances, but its ideology was what turned those grievances into a justification for violence.
Japan after WWII provides an interesting counterexample. The country experienced enormous destruction, defeat and collective suffering, but this did not produce a broad terrorist movement. Where terrorism subsequently emerged, such as the Japanese Red Army, it was explicitly ideological.
So I’d distinguish between grievances that terrorist organisations can exploit and the ideology that legitimises terrorism. Addressing genuine injustices may reduce the pool of people susceptible to recruitment, but I don’t think the evidence supports the idea that suffering itself is what creates terrorism. Ideology, identity and social mobilisation appear to be much more fundamental.
Watching this in 2026 and remembering how we all need somewhere to put our anger and frustration. Some of us show it in unique ways that we all may not understand fully. Celebrating this horrific event should be condemned but understanding where their pain comes from should have been part of our national rebuilding process. It was not and here we are....
ISIS had a fundamentally different agenda than Al Quaeda. Al Quaeda viewed themselves in an existential struggle against the West, whereas ISIS was an authoritarian theocratic death cult. Most of their violence was against other Muslims.
Too bad he was completely wrong. Is,am is not about peace. It’s about domination through submission and murder. Listen to them now, they don’t want peace.
I mean I’d find it hard to “understand their pain” when you see videos of celebrations in the street not even an hour after the attacks ended.
Its one thing if its a reaching out and attempt of understanding from people in the West Bank, but you’re expecting a nation that just experienced a terror attack to “look at their pain as part of our rebuilding process”, as footage of celebrations, praising God and flags are waived.
I think reaching out and attempt of understanding coincides with looking at their pain, in my opinion. Understanding systematic brainwashing and cultural divisions is paramount to understanding the larger context of this day that changed the world. My comment was intended to be thoughtful nuanced and respectful. I condemned their behavior and I've just been attacked by like four posters, one of them being a MOD. I thought this sub was a place for all people to honor the event and explore free thought, but I guess that is not the case. I wish I would have never given my thoughts, I apologize.
My comment isn’t an attack on you… it’s criticizing the expectation of Americans reflecting and trying to understand the pain of Palestinians, after watching news footage of people celebrating 9/11 on the same morning.
You can explore free thought. Freedom of speech doesnt mean you wont encounter people who disagree with you, or think what you’re saying isn’t realistic. Sorry if i come off as rude, but it’s more likely for those points of understanding coming from dialog (like it did the days following 9/11 in NYC) than people evaluating it after seeing people celebrating 9/11
You do come off as rude and you likely have some conscious bias around this topic.
In 9/11 In Real Time (2022 Documentary) by Nevermind Productions if you watch the last ten minutes they go through clips of these people celebrating. They cut to Howard Stern saying to "drop the Nuke" and "Kill these people". A Few minutes later, there are two people arguing at ground zero. I was attempting to implore the message of the woman at the end. You should watch it and reread my initial post.
Americans have never cheered on the deaths of innocent people. I’m not American myself, and even I know that.
War is never a desirable outcome. Preserving peace and freedom doesn’t always come peacefully. War and terrorism are not the same thing, not even f’ing close. All of these things can be true at the same time.
The fact that bad people exist everywhere is precisely why military action isn’t always avoidable. Let enough bad people organize and act on their beliefs, and you’ll find yourself on your knees, praying to God that soldiers are there to protect your loved ones. Please stop the BS.
You should have seen the person at the Republican Midterm Convention screaming "He should be shot" about Mamdani and El-Sayed just yesterday.... to say "Americans have never cheered on the deaths of innocent people" means you know nothing about US History. Have you heard about what happened to the indigenous peoples of our land? Have you heard about slavery? Breonna Taylor? George Floyd?
Someone shouting out that either Mamdani or El-Sayed should be shot is obviously inexcusable, if they weren’t immediately ejected/arrested for inciting violence that is an issue as well.
That said neither that or any of the other examples you mentioned are at all remotely similar to what you’re comparing them to.
This is footage of a men, women, mothers, fathers, grandparents and children of all ages unilaterally expressing pure jubilation and glee/joy as a community because of an act of terrorism specifically targeting civilians.
America, like every other nation on Earth includes individual people who are generally bad people.
For example George Floyd wasn’t killed by a group of people, it was an individual police officer. Americans (as a collective/community) all stood together around Floyd (a criminal who had in fact just committed a crime tbf) and filmed him being arrested so they could discourage further escalation and hold the officer accountable later…you can hear many people (often angry) trying to persuade the officer to let go of Floyd though out the entire arrest.
That officer was later sentenced to prison but not before public expressed their outrage and anger at Floyd’s treatment rioting in different cities throughout the nation burning buildings down.
I’m sorry but that comparison is just petulant bullshit
I can condemn that statement against Mamdani and agree with you that it’s absolutely heinous, while still holding my position on the matter. In the same rhetoric, a leftist extremist killed Charlie Kirk 1 year ago. That’s far worse than just a statement because it was acting on it and I’m not going to idiotically state that all people leaning left are psychopaths.
What you’re resorting to is the fallacy of generalization by using an exception as if it represented the rule. If you think you’re being clever or morally superior by saying, “If this radical person said this, then everyone who supports freedom must think the same way,” that’s bananas and, at best, a deeply flawed way of thinking.
When you bring up things like slavery, you’re the one who needs to read some history. The abolitionist movement that ultimately led to the end of slavery in the U.S. was championed politically by the republicans, which happens to be the very group you’re attacking using that premise… and not just that, but the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment had literally NO support from the democrat party lol
And hold your horses before throwing more nonsense at me through your generalization fallacies like claiming I’m either a republican, a “far-right extremist,” whatever the hell that means to you, or even a democrat… I’m not even a U.S. citizen, yet somehow, I can still teach you about your own country’s history because you are clearly clueless on the topic.
One of the clearest signs of ignorance comes when people generalize entire groups, other people, or organizations based on the actions or statements of specific individuals, like you just did.
If you want to discuss specific policies or ideas, that’s a completely different conversation from the one you’re trying to have, but if you ever want to have that conversation, you should at least be well informed.
Imagine telling someone who teaches law and history at the college level to “go read” because you are trying to defend a generalization fallacy lol
As an American, lots of Americans cheered the deaths of innocents. I’m not going to engage with you further because we’re obviously in two different realms of realities.
That is absolutely false. And if you’re surrounded by americans who celebrate the deaths of innocent people, that says a lot more about you and your immediate circle than it does about your country.
And of course you don’t want to engage. It would make you look pretty bad if someone from outside your country had a much more informed position than you do. Truth is many of you have simply become ungrateful and take for granted the privilege of being born where you were born.
Our big issue right now is that we are all kind of surrounded by American's who celebrate the death of innocent people. That's kinda our thing... You should read a bit about our orange leader and what he's done to our friends and families.
I’m completely open to having a conversation about it in a civilized way, but if you want your argument to be taken seriously, the first thing you need to have is an actual serious argument.
Please, go ahead and name the people or situations, provide the evidence, and show me how you can substantiate the claim that all or a majority of americans are literally celebrating the deaths of innocent people. Of course, right away, define who exactly you mean by “innocent people” and give me the context.
What specific attack are you referring to? Which specific people celebrated it? And what evidence do you have that connects those people to that celebration?
Don’t come with BS statements like to “go read” lol You’re the one making the claim, so the bare minimum of intellectual honesty is for you to provide the evidence supporting your accusation. Right?
A tantrum over disagreement with democratically decided public policy is VERY different from making a very serious accusation that requires actual evidence.
So please don’t speak in vague meaningless generalities and don’t throw accusations around without evidence. We need concrete context for your claims.
Which specific leader? What exactly did that person do to you or to which specific family member? Give the context and lay out your argument with actual details. Nobody can take your position seriously if you can’t provide anything of substance.
And again, as I told you in another comment, if you want to discuss specific policies or ideas, that’s a completely different conversation from the one you’re trying to have.
that might be the most ignorant thing I’ve ever read. Our own president and many in his cult cheered on the deaths of renee good and alex pretti.
the right wing radio echo chamber used to celebrate AIDS deaths.
they celebrated the massacre at the Pulse nightclub.
if you really think Americans have never cheered on the deaths of innocent people your view of America is so white-washed it’s laughable
As a libertarian, I will always question and scrutinize the use of force by the State. However, in the case of Renée Good, while the outcome was tragic, the video clearly shows her attempting to run over the officer. It’s pretty clear.
She and her partner were two progressive-left radicals who were absolutely willing to interfere with the federal operation. That is what puts them in the scene in the first place, but it is not what triggered the use of deadly force. I know this has become a deeply divisive issue, but if Renée had not tried to run the officer over, the outcome would not have been fatal. You can’t reach any other conclusion from the video.
Then there’s Pretti. Who btw was not some “innocent, peaceful civilian nurse simply walking down the street who was randomly attacked by police for no reason” … I mean, come on!
I have no interest in taking the government’s side, but I do care about being objective in my analysis, and that was NOT the actual situation with Pretti. That is a convenient narrative, not an accurate description of the circumstances.
Pretti was directly involved in the Minneapolis protests. He was armed, he violently fought with officers first, and during the initial interaction he was met with pepper spray and non-lethal force… yet he continued resisting arrest. That was captured on video pretty clearly.
Now, Pretti’s case is indeed much more complicated than Good’s, and on that I agree with you. There are several inconsistencies, and the investigation needs to continue to determine exactly what happened in that specific case and whether criminal charges against the federal agents should proceed… it needs to be further investigated.
We also must be objective about the fact that the initial report of Pretti’s death described him the guy as “domestic terrorist” who approached a group of ICE agents while armed and refused to back away when instructed to do so. Obviously, if Trump was not at the scene, the information he had to rely on initially was the official federal report, just as you would have done if you were in his shoes…. pretending otherwise would be hypocritical.
What’s dishonest is to claim that Trump celebrated Pretti’s death. That’s false and you know that.
Once the incident became public and videos showing a different picture were shown, Trump changed his position and described Alex Pretti’s shooting as “very sad” and “unfortunate,” while saying he wanted a deep and transparent investigation into what happened. That is the right thing to say whether you like or hate Trump.
Those were his exact words, as reported even by left-leaning media. So no, saying that Pretti’s death was celebrated by Trump is categorically false. Shame on you.
Apart from that, the problem with your premises is that you’re taking a handful of examples involving radicals from a political camp you dislike, along with some reprehensible statements, and then dishonestly using them to claim that the president or generally the republican party has “celebrated the deaths of innocent people”. Again, shame on you. That’s dishonest.
Saying that Americans broadly celebrate the deaths of innocent people is a very serious statement man, especially if the proof you offer is of some radical extremists and deeply disturbed individuals that have celebrated acts of political violence. Those are two completely different claims.
If you want to make that argument honestly, you will have to acknowledge examples from both sides of the political spectrum.
Right here on Reddit yesterday, there were people literally celebrating Charlie Kirk’s assassination. Why didn’t you point to people like Patrick Meyer and Corrine Baum? They literally expressed regret that Trump survived his assassination attempt.
Then you have Malcolm Harris, James Treakle, and Phil Klein at the University of Nebraska that publicly celebrated the attack on Scalise and expressed disappointment that he survived… Karen Pinder at UBC and Jacqueline Marsaw are other examples…
You can’t bury your head under the sand, come on.
There are dozens of examples of people on the left celebrating deaths or political attacks, or expressing regret that republicans survived them. In fact, there are far more examples across that spectrum than you could reasonably use to make a serious argument about an entire political movement, but that’s not the point.
It is intellectually dishonest to single out one side and pretend that these isolated examples represent an entire political ideology or even worse, that they represent what Americans believe. Again, shame on you.
Her wheel was turned all the way to the right, tires completely rotated away from him. Your first two sentences are a big fkn lie. I'll have to assume the rest is disingenuous BS.
you're moving the goal posts from "Americans have never cheered on the deaths of innocent people" to "Americans have not broadly cheered on the deaths of people who only I determine as innocent."
no comment on the mocking of the AIDS or Pulse victims?
Or was Rush Limbaugh a radical extremist, therefore not counting as an American?
I do acknowledge both sides. the people mocking Charlie Kirk's assassination are also examples of "Americans cheering on the death of innocent people" as well as the others you listed, by your own admission, refuting that asinine statement you made originally. Just like there are Americans cheering on civilian deaths of both sides of the Ukraine and Iran Wars. Some Americans cheer on the Gaza genocide as Israel's right to exist. Just as many different white supremacist Americans cheered for Oct 7.
Mike Enoch: “Hats off to the Palestinians for taking bold and courageous action in their own cause and showing us that the Zionist regime is not invincible.” He called out right-wing nationalists who are not actively celebrating the attack, demanding, “Who’s paying you? Who are you afraid of? Is the Overton window shifting enough for you yet?”
Since you've walked it back and abandoned your original premise by adding qualifiers, we're done here.
I’ve read recently that celebrations occurred in several cities in the West Bank, but weren’t covered because of implied that’s if they filmed their safety couldn’t be guaranteed
This is horrific. Yasser arafat condemned this. What's happening to the Palestinians today ensures more terrorism in the future and a target on America's back. Terrible how nothing has changed. Just because someone wants me dead doesn't mean I want them dead.
But if someone wants to put a target on our backs again, i hope to have a fighting opportunity against them.
All it’s going to do is guarantee a response.
I agree. It’s terrible that nothing has changed. And if people are willing to do a repeat of 9/11 to make a political point, then we’re just going to fight another war
Why did this cut off as soon as they mentioned Palestinian leaderships response…
Some Americans cheered and celebrated when Hitler was elected and supported his rise to power. We wouldn’t edit out the part about Americas leadership overall being against Nazi Germany.
I have also seen videos of the other side of this conflict dancing to this. (I can't name that country as of course with a double standard that content is prohibited on this subreddit)
Really? Please share one because I’ve often seen that claim that Israelis danced and celebrated the attack (and were responsible for the attack in one way or another) and yet have never seen proof that that actually happened.
What’s funny is that video that I’ve seen circulated as proof of that is just reporting on a lady who saw some people looking at the twin towers who looked middle eastern and “didn’t look shocked and looked happy” so she called the cops. I don’t think she ever even said that they were dancing, but I could be wrong.
Right, that video doesn’t say that any Israelis were dancing and celebrating the attack. Instead, the video reports someone looked out their window, saw 5 men they thought looked middle eastern, and made the assessment they “didn’t look shocked and looked happy” as they were looking at the twin towers after they had been struck, so they called the cops.
So the men were essentially doing what these people in the photo, and many other people did, after the first tower was hit. Taking pictures with it in the background with what that lady deemed as an inappropriate facial expression.
But somehow that morphed into Israelis and Jews dancing in celebration after they completed a successful attack on New York, or some similar variation of that conspiracy theory.
Anyone can say “Israel”. It’s just that conspiracy theorists want to pretend like Israelis did 9/11 when all the hijackers are Arabs not from Israel or Palestine, and several being on record as anti-Zionist
If you're bringing this up 25 years later to justify genocide then youre psychotic. It wasn't the entirety of the Palestinians celebrating and their government was quick to intervene and condemn their actions. The only reason this would be brought up now is to be used to somehow defend the killing of innocent children and civilians. Pretty disgusting.
Why do you assume OP brought it up to justify genocide? Can you provide any indication that the reason is that, rather than the fact that this happened 25 years ago?
The PA did condemn it, but they also gave veiled warnings to reporters in other cities that they wouldn’t be protected if they recorded other crowds in different cities… idk how quick they were to intervene if they’re telling reporters they might be in danger if they film that
The only reason this would be brought up now is to be used to somehow defend the killing of innocent children and civilians. Pretty disgusting.
Or…. It happened 25 years ago, and this sub archives anything 9/11 related…. I don’t see how you can ignore the fact that its literal news coverage from the day of the attacks, and jump to conclusions that it must only be brought up to justify genocide.
This is the attitude of a lot of “progressives” as a whole. When Hasan Piker said that “America deserved 9/11”, it really put into perspective exactly how insidious that type of rhetoric is. It’s gotten to the point of the Left vehemently hating Jewish people because they are pro-Israel, yet they don’t even know what, “from the river to the sea” even means.
I’ve seen many of these self-proclaimed Leftists claiming that they agree with Hitler regarding the Jews/Israel because they despise Israel. These young people are so woefully unaware of the* historical importance of Israel, and why the nation is so pivotal in End Times prophecies. They can’t comprehend why Christian’s naturally support Israel because of the Biblical connotation of it.
It is truly a sad state of affairs, and I can guarantee that leftists wouldn’t even support Islamic countries/movements, simply on the basis of LGBT and women’s rights issues. It will be the downfall of the West, and the introduction of the anti-Christ.
It’s literally everywhere on social media. Ever since leftists started talking about Gaza and saying “free Palestine”, even though they don’t even know that Palestine isn’t even on a map.
It’s IDF ragebait for… Reuters to film Palestinians celebrating 9/11….
This is an insane method of coping with something you don’t want to see
Other journalists have eyewitness accounts of seeing it in other cities and feeling threatened by the PA if they recorded it. You’re going to blame the IDF for that too?
People like you pretend that Hamas, Hezbolah etc. were created out of nowhere and for no reason instead of as a direct result of brutal oppression, occupation and terrorism against them. Hezbolah literally did not exist until after Israel invaded Lebanaon in 1982. It was formed in response to it. This is the same logic as "9/11 happened because they hated our freedom" lol. You have to grow up at some point brother.
Sounds like you support sawing the heads off people who don't want to convert to Islam. Because that's what these groups do. It's not like French or Polish resistance only targeting armed uniformed combatants. Hamas throws homosexuals off rooftops for purely being homosexual. No other reason. I'm not disagreeing that Israel is an issue that needs to be dealt with but attacking people for reasons that conflict with your religion makes you a larger problem that needs to be dealt with
Except 10/7 isn’t considered “legal right to armed resistance”. The ICJ literally charges Hamas with crimes against humanity.
But here you are pretending like terrorists flying into a concert and hunting and shooting 200-250 unarmed people to death is “resistance” and not terrorism. Going into bomb shelters and chucking grenades at families isn't a human right.
Let’s be adults and not try to justify terrorist attacks on innocent people, while pointing at other atrocities. It's insane how you are here listing Israeli war crimes and atrocities, while simultaneously ignoring Hamas' crimes against humanity and atrocities and justifying it as "legal resistance".
Shooting 800 civilians to death deliberately isn't a "legal right to armed resistance". It is terrorism. You can acknowledge Israeli terrorism, but not Palestinian terrorism...
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u/venkrish 17h ago
lol why is this post downvoted? this is an archive sub and this is something that verifiably really happened. I'm not even American and it disgusts me that these people are celebrating. And this sub is downvoting this post? stop this performative nonsense.