r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks 江田島 5d ago

Official Version 7.1 Special Program Announcement

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u/P0sitive_Mess 5d ago

I just noticed it's scheduled for September 12 so they can dodge 9/11 jokes

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u/Black-----Manta Strongest Aoo Gooo Main 5d ago

Damn, i didnt think theyd actually do it. Completely wrong

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u/dynari 5d ago

They've been pretty regular about dodging 9/11. Feixiao's patch in HSR was released a day early because the natural patch schedule lined up with 9/11. Funnily, it still would have been 9/10 in the US if they had released it normally, but they moved it up anyways.

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u/Winston7776 cursed with hexerei 5d ago

A lot of people thought that might have been a unique situation given that Feixiao’s CN title roughly translates to “airstrike general”

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u/dynari 5d ago

I had forgotten about that! It might be the case that that was the main reason for schedule change.

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u/Lazy-Independent1547 5d ago

9/11 Requiem for the underworld also sounds too wrong.

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u/A11Bionic 5d ago

jesus christ

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u/TetraNeuron 5d ago

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u/adastrajay Lord of Sands your stunlock is ready 5d ago

Of course Traveler would have struck the towers for 5 primos

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u/franknfurtr 5d ago

WQ Traveler would do it for free

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u/RealGalactic 5d ago

and the lore was crazy

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u/Rathurue 5d ago

Technically they did, once.
They struck the lunar orbital station during their crash landing.

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u/Main_coorp 5d ago

And who would blame him 

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u/Ghavarus Hail Pyro Girls 5d ago

Reminds me of when HSR released version 2.5 on Tuesday (September 10th, 2024) instead of the usual Wednesday (September 11th, 2024)

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u/ttttttttttttttity 5d ago

If it'd happened at 9/11 and the rewards were ass alot of people will say 9/11 boutta have it's 3rd tragedy

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u/P0sitive_Mess 5d ago

If the rewards are ass we would now have 3 days of consecutive incident anniversaries in a row

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u/Zek7h35an5 I'm going to run a Childe over with my Train 5d ago

"Paimon will help you reunite with your sibling!"
5 years later
"Paimon, we're fighting the fucking Ruler of Death!"
"Trust the process!!!"

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u/ImperialSun-Real 5d ago

Tbf, we did reunite with our sibling a few times already. It just didn't last long 😔

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u/BlandPotatoxyz 5d ago

Our sibling doesn't care for us. Idk why we keep chasing them. It's time to move on. Paimon > sibling

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u/PeachyPlnk 5d ago

Abyss sibling does care for mc twin, though. They're just more focused on fixing the aftermath of the calamity, and mc can handle themselves fine. MC's not even chasing them anymore in snezh cause there's bigger things to worry about.

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u/a12o 5d ago

Paimon > abyss sibling all day. Where was abyss sibling we fought Dvalin? Where was abyss sibling when we fought Tartaglia and Osial? Where was abyss sibling when we were at war with the Raiden Shogun? Where was abyss sibling when we were fighting Scaramouche? Where was abyss sibling when we fought the all-devouring Narwhal? Where was abyss sibling when we were at war with the abyss?

Paimon was with us throughout all these life-endangering events despite her weakness while abyss sibling is too busy trying to rebuild a country that's definitely just going to get nuked again despite their best efforts to care that their sibling has almost died a dozen times already.

This comment is only partly a joke.

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u/MistaGalaxy why have thou forsaken me WGS? 5d ago

Bcaus the traveler aren't , sibling just say finish yo journey and traveler be like aight

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u/Huge_Creme_3204 5d ago

"That'll do, paimon. That'll do"

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u/Bearylover if it doesn't fit my agenda it's a speculation 5d ago

Da hell is a mermaid doing in Arlington, Texas

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u/Lumpy_Interview4686 5d ago

Singing her best

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u/EmpathogenX 5d ago

Going to Wet n' Wild.

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u/Ok-Effective327 ❄️ frosty bundle of joy 🩵 5d ago

DAINSLEIF?!?!

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u/ShinyGrezz 5d ago

I love getting Dainsleif outside of his dedicated quests it’s like he’s becoming more and more important.

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u/Wafflesorbust 5d ago

Just wish they'd update his outfit textures because those 1.0 jaggies are always so distracting to me.

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u/A11Bionic 5d ago

oh for sure he’s visiting Skirk’s plastic surgeon when it’s his time to be playable

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u/Tar_Vea 5d ago

yeah, but is it me or does his outfit looks a bit different here?

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u/Main_coorp 5d ago

It does indeed 

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u/Infamous_Gain9481 5d ago

Fucking finally lol, can’t wait for him to become a main character I’ve been waiting for god knows how long for this shit lol, I’m so excited to see him again

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u/thesqrrootof4is2 5d ago

Considering it’s involving 2 sinners in back to back years, I wouldn’t put it past him if he wanted to get himself involved lmao

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u/Usual-Touch2569 5d ago

We're fighting the Shade that cast the curse on top of working with someone who also has beef with the Sinners.

Also on top of that we're getting an in-game appearance of another Sinner who merged with her Shade counterpart.

If Dainsleif missed out on this party he'd be an idiot for doing so.

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u/The_OG_upgoat 5d ago

When Dain inevitably confronts his brother, he's gonna have a breakdown. The guy was conflicted enough about fighting Rerir.

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u/Everlasting_Living 5d ago

I'm not so quick to agree; Dainsleif was conflicted about Rerir because he never knew the truth of what made him turn, and getting all the information dumped on him at once naturally gave him pause. He knows why the other four, Ved included, chose their path. I'm not saying this will make things easy for him to fight his own brother, but Dainsleif said in A Bedtime Story that he loathes being related to him. So I'm more inclined to believe there will be a lot more hostility than Rerir's case, even though I'm all for the angst

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u/BookswithIke 5d ago

I really hope it's angsty as fuck. Because from everything we've seen Ved and Dain had a great relationship before the Cataclysm. I hope Dain isn't just singlemindedly focused on destroying Ved and they actually have conversations.

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u/LettuceBenis 5d ago

yeah Dain's hesitation with Rerir wasn't because they used to be close friends, it's because Rerir became a Sinner not out of a desire for more power, but just to try and save his lover.

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u/Cool_King26 5d ago

That's the saddest part I really don't want to see happen, but I think it's not avoidable now.

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u/Grand-Ad906 5d ago

I wonder how they'll handle Rhine's introduction popup. She's a shade, a sinner, and also a hex... would be funny if they just decide to combine all of it into a single popup lol

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u/Sufficient_Plate_504 5d ago

there's a teapot nicole dialogue someone showed me where she talks about alice's magical introduction for rhinedottie being an affront to aesthetics.

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u/roughhty 5d ago

Wow what a detail lol. I love that. I’m so curious to see it now.

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u/Sufficient_Plate_504 5d ago

It's in the (Unlocks at Friendship Lvl. 4) section: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Nicole/Companion

 

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u/Usual-Touch2569 5d ago

I'll assume that at some point all of her pop-ups will show up. It'll probably happen in order depending on which moniker she uses first. Most probably the Shade of Life, unless they use that one for Naberius and the Sinner pop-up for Rhine herself.

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u/Gullible_Net_3167 The true Naberius CEO 5d ago

Nah, the Shade one is definitely for Naberius, I mean, rhinedottir is not labeled as Ruler of Life anywhere

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u/-Emeralds 5d ago

More khanriah lore!! I’m on mobile and for a moment I didn’t even see him by the Tsaritsa’s ear 🤣

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u/lvi-o-sa scara’s hat 5d ago

same 🤣 I had to squint to see that he is there

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u/Telooor 5d ago

The hyv mandated Dain patch is here

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u/Business-Classic-759 5d ago

they really didn't want it to happen on 9/11 I guess that might indicate that they don't want the day to be associated with two tragedies when they show the anniversary rewards

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u/jacobwhkhu Furina Fanatic 💦 5d ago

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u/I_am_indisguise I am hungry for map expansions 5d ago

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u/jacobwhkhu Furina Fanatic 💦 5d ago

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u/hizashiYEAHmada maybe the real aranaras are the leaks we made along the way 5d ago

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u/Notosk 5d ago

fuck.

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u/KamiAlth 5d ago

If you laugh, my hair turn pink

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u/ValdyFox 5d ago

Thats kinda fire writing🫡

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u/Mordred_Tumultu Will Collect Everyone in Plate Armor or a Full Suit 5d ago

Hot enough to melt steel beams.

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u/CupcakeWarlock450 5d ago

That or there might be a scene where it reminds them about the terrorist attacks.

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u/Black-----Manta Strongest Aoo Gooo Main 5d ago

Your Majesty, a second nail has struck Snezhnaya

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u/Aspensharem 5d ago

This is the quality I come to Reddit for

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u/MrCovell 5d ago

Didn’t have to do them like that dawg 💀

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u/Shingorillaz 5d ago

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u/Easy-Film 5d ago

Ni Hao

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u/naive-dragon varcole is ❤️ 5d ago

My favorite crossover is Genshin and NBA ❤️

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u/350 5d ago

bruh Heavenly Principles sent a nail to the Clippers 😭😭😭😭😭

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u/Shingorillaz 5d ago

The Pablo Torre world quest was crazy

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u/MaryKozakura Hotter than the bluest flame 5d ago

So it really is moved by a day to avoid 9/11

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u/Sakkitaky22 5d ago

😭😭

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u/the-roast 江田島 5d ago

Chongyun: this drink is actually good!

Meanwhile in Snezhnaya:

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u/PowerfulRoom813 5d ago

Still mad at Hoyo for making the popsicle weapon skin a sword.

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u/LadyKatriel 5d ago

Yeah that’s actually foul of them. I didn’t even notice it was because it looked like a claymore and I didn’t read. Oh well, Kaeya has a popsicle now I guess.

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u/pokebuzz123 Tighnari Enjoyer 5d ago

Same, cryo Varka could've been more peak

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u/crunchylumpias have you seen my wife? → now you have 5d ago

AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO CHONGYUN

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u/UrLocalKayden18 5d ago

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHONGYUN

TheJonathon's gonna be delighted when he sees this

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u/99cent-tea Would cause a cataclysm just to have my dear Capitano 5d ago

bb deserves all the good things in the world

even though he'd love how cold Snezhnaya is he don't need all their baggage

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u/Knight_Steve_ 5d ago

Rhinedottir/Nabirius 3d model incoming! Only Istaroth the only shade yet to appear in 3d

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u/UrLocalKayden18 5d ago

I hope Istaroth's model is gonna be soon, we can finally do the 4 shades model comparison once that happens

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u/Axlzz 5d ago

Asmoday gonna be seriously stand out. Please Hoyo remodel her before she appearing again lol.

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u/Lociee 5d ago

Thats why shes gone, shes stuck in the Hoyo modeling department

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u/ElSuricate 5d ago

oh yeah that's DEFINITELY going to happen

even then, her model is already gorgeous so i can't imagine how good it's going to be once it's redone

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u/devilboy1029 Childe Supremacy 🪿👹 5d ago

Make them do the Narukami dance

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u/slipperysnail 6s: 5d ago

Naberius has her own model that hasn't appeared in really any form yet

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u/mO_ohitt About to hit you with that dumbass rizz 5d ago

That reminds me, Asmoday's updated model is gonna be fire when we see her again

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u/GeForce_GTX_1050Ti 5d ago

nah she's gonna be Diluc of the Shades just for the lol

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u/h2odragon00 5d ago

Did the beta leaks actually say that we are getting Rhinedottir 3D?

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u/RitzBitz3 5d ago

Don't think so. But considering she is in the poster..I'm quite sure she will. I dont think they have put characters on the poster but not shown them in game

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u/GuideMiserable7526 5d ago

Trust me, the bigger the art, less the voicelines🤣

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u/RitzBitz3 5d ago

Maybe. But model none the less

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u/Golden_Courtyard CyreneElysiaRemielleAdaigoFan 5d ago

Cutscence Tsaritsa in 7.0 no model 

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u/RitzBitz3 5d ago

True. I mean that still counts to me as getting a model. even if reindotter is only in a cutscene. It's the same model as would be in game.

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u/Wastable 5d ago

We only get the model once the preload is out

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u/PascalGoester 5d ago

I'm praying Naberius will get her own 3D model too, cuz so far it looks like only Rheindottir will get one

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u/Seth-Phiroth I pledge loyalty 2 the ice queen 5d ago

THE MAN, THE LEGEND, DAIN RETURNS

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u/Arxis_Two 🪿 Goose on the Loose 🪿 5d ago

That's exciting, crazy they announced it a day early for the stream to be a day late. Good things are worth waiting for 🙏

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u/roxaim 5d ago

Vesna and Vodyanitsa looks really out of place lmao

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u/Black-----Manta Strongest Aoo Gooo Main 5d ago

Obligatory heavy handed marketing for the product of the month

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u/BodybuilderOwn165 5d ago

Why did no one told my girl Nicole even Collie was bigger than her in art

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u/Black-----Manta Strongest Aoo Gooo Main 5d ago

They were prob way more confident in her than in these two

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u/Skalron 5d ago

Well, that what I though, but after some reflexion, Vodyanitsa's death requiem made Mitya come back alive, so she could play a major role in the fight against Ronova, by keeping us alive / respawning us when Roro decide to unalive us

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u/Appropriate_Word1469 5d ago

Lorewise sorta makes sense, Vesna is leading Tsaritsa's army into battle, and Vodya can revive the dead apparenly, so it's reasonable they join the fight

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u/Iwefle 5d ago

What's the prima Donna of Korolevskiy Theater doing there, is she gonna sing Ronova to death?

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u/KhunBamcan 5d ago

well her singing did lowkey negate her death curse with mitya lol

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u/No-Character4187 5d ago

Well, it's a Rekviem (Requiem) so it kinda does make sense 😅

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u/99cent-tea Would cause a cataclysm just to have my dear Capitano 5d ago

This is incredibly early wtf

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u/Ghavarus Hail Pyro Girls 5d ago

Probably because they changed the date so it's not on 9/11.

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u/Putrid-Resident 5d ago

So I'm guessing TWOPILLARS wouldn't be one of the livestream codes then?

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u/4to5enthusiast 5d ago

mr president sir, geo traveler has erected a second pillar

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u/sukahati geo doomposter 5d ago

mr president sir, c1 zhong li has erected a second pillar

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u/Axlzz 5d ago

I think the date is not a usual one on Friday so they announce it early to get some people prepare, especially streamer who have to set the schedule.

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u/Desperate-Owl-4830 5d ago

Maybe cuz its anniversary if im not wrong most anniversary x.0 and new region tend to be announced early. Although this time anniversary is x.1

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u/TheWitcherMigs 5d ago

Anniversaries were in .1 until the calendar couldn't make it in 5.0. The fact Song of Welkin Moon was one patch short put the schedule back on track and I think it was a deliberate decision. Anniversary with major region release was always a bit overwhelming

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u/raspey 5d ago

This is the same time it always is no? Just a day later than usual.

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u/sdfgbjhfsdjnfds 5d ago

they normally announce them on wednesdays

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u/raspey 5d ago

Oh mb.
Makes sense I guess if they're deviating from their usual schema.

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u/Pristine_Low4134 5d ago

i think he means the date annoucement early

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u/WingsDT 5d ago

I know some people who take time off and shit from work for Genshin livesteam/patch release day so maybe they tried to be early this time so that people know not to do that for Friday this time.

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u/neuvvv 5d ago

rhinedottir omg

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u/SomethingAndAnything 5d ago

It's so ironic that the Shade of Life is probably gonna help Tsaritsa fight the Shade of Death.

I would say that there's a complicated story behind that, but knowing Rhinedottir? She's doing it for the love of the game lol

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u/Lumpy_Interview4686 4d ago

Female dottore

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u/wooden-pickaxe 5d ago

Pierro dont die pls you hot old man

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u/Vex_Out_0032 5d ago

stay in the train pierro!!!!

...sorry wrong game.

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u/jefe_hook 5d ago

Stay in the bed 🛏️

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u/Pierro_Official Pierros one true wife!!!! 5d ago

Mine specifically

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u/snowysnowy 5d ago

Man tanked a proton cannon blast from Ronova, he's not going to keel over and pass out from standing in a poster... I hope.

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u/Natchyy24 SKORK 5d ago

Color scheme somehow gives me Voracity Corruption PTSD now lmaooo

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u/Quibilash HOYOVERSE! GIVE ME THE HU TAO RERUN AND MY CREDIT CARD IS YOURS 5d ago edited 5d ago

My impatient ass asks they couldn't just move it a day back instead? :(

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u/Me1odicae 5d ago

That's when you know who got Kirked

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u/Character_Advance907 5d ago

Yea whoop her ahh VODYANITSA 😭🙏🏽

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u/Gargooner 5d ago

Why are people saying this when Vodyanitsa is literally the only one that actually managed to make Ronova went "uh, i need to reevaluate (Water Imp race) from now on" after she almost mess her stuffs.

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u/TeaTimeLion123 Here for the music! 5d ago

Dammit you beat me to it 😔

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u/Fit-Application-1 Zhongli for you I’d drink osmanthus wine 5d ago

At first glance based off the color scheme alone I thought Dottore was back LOL

But also yooo didn’t expect Gold to make an appearance!!! So excited for this holy shit

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u/YingXingg 5d ago

DAINSLEIFFFFFFFF

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u/marshmochifauxie MITYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 5d ago edited 5d ago

omg family reunion

*edited to include rhine mommy

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u/TheFairFeline 5d ago

Plus Rhinedottir!

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u/Hulkhontosee3667 5d ago

Bro forgot Rhinne

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u/marshmochifauxie MITYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 5d ago

sorry I was in a rush

wait, if Albedo's Rhinedottir's son.. does that make the Tsaritsa his.. idk grandma? 😭

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u/Hulkhontosee3667 5d ago

Great Great Great x1000 grandma*

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u/True_Shirt_1529 5d ago

Dainsleif ring finally getting explained???

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u/Infamous_Gain9481 5d ago

Yea I think something is happening with his ring. I’m really curious to find out tbh

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u/MinimumMolasses9 5d ago

The ring's power will activate causing him to undergo a model update!

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u/RefrigeratorLoud221 5d ago

We already knew it was a gift from his brother that makes the curse more tolerable. The reason he seems fine physically and still has most of his memories is because of the ring

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u/EphemeralScribe 5d ago

Rhinedottir ‘bout to pull up and help her great, great, great…..grandma

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u/Comprehensive-Map274 5d ago

"Rhinedottir" and "Help" in the same sentence, she's about to betray EVERYONE

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u/WingsDT 5d ago

As expected, no live stream on 9/11

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u/REVRYOU Navia's best bodyguard 5d ago

The special program's key visual goes hard holy fuck

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u/EmpathogenX 5d ago

I'll always have a soft spot for 2.1's Livestream art, still my favorite to this day:

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u/4to5enthusiast 5d ago

it's dain's turn to get model mogged

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u/SecretYogurtcloset57 C6 SandBina main 5d ago

Hoyo got scared of those 9/11 jokes they were about to get haha

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u/BodybuilderOwn165 5d ago

Even with the jokes , it's badday for marketing since most USA social media will focus in it

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u/RolandDucO 5d ago

Rhinedottir when she has to interact with dain and maintain her position as a shade at the same time

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u/qxitl 5d ago

Everyone looking serious and then there's tinker bell and the little mermaid 😂

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u/EphemeralScribe 5d ago

What is the price of killing a god?

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u/HeragOwO 5d ago

Alot of tataragami i guess

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u/Putrid-Resident 5d ago

5k mora and all your billets

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u/TheFairFeline 5d ago

Let’s ask the unnamed bard!

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u/NoPalpitation2846 5d ago

Vesna and Vodya are so out of place here lol

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u/_Har_uto_ 5d ago

Havent felt this excited looking at the next version's official art in a long time.

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u/wholemealbread69 5d ago

Toughest Genshin special announcement so far??

Holy peak

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u/BoxInside7620 Number one Mavuika Glazer 5d ago

Damn so we won't have Genshin's 9/11☹️

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u/ryoujika use this neuviladle for your soup 5d ago

If Genshin wasn't gacha the patch banner characters would definitely not be on there lol

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u/PriscentSnow C6R1 Columbina & Sandrone enjoyer 5d ago

holy shit that key visual goes so fucking hard

my favorite is still v6.3, luna IV:

7.1 KV is definitely up there with my favs tho

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u/Jnliew 5d ago

The image being a near perfect loop was genius

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u/snowysnowy 5d ago

Genshin really has a lot of blue characters huh...

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u/Former_Deal_2838 5d ago

Please do not give an ounce of goodness to Rhinedottir. Please for the love of God do not make her a look like a good person

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u/Fabio90989 5d ago

If that's what you want prepare to be disappointed

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u/KhunBamcan 5d ago

she already was the moment she became a witch lol

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u/Economy_Pass5452 5d ago

I didn't realise aether doesn't wear his new/old lore skin in these arts either.

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u/migi_chan69420 5d ago

That's one way to write requiem. Or is it a different word?

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u/short_reviews 5d ago

always the x.1 version artworks that are absolutely insane

also saturday stream rip friday

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u/GinJoestarR Hydro is the most versatile element 5d ago

The poster is so serious

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u/QuirkyRose 5d ago

At first glance I thought the entire image was vorasity corruption

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u/LimeStriking4500 4d ago

What da smol Vesna and Vodyanitsa doing with all those leviathans 😭🥀

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u/SailcrVee 5d ago

RIP me who works the whole Saturday but only mornings on Friday. Hope this is a one-time thing to avoid 9/11.

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u/based_mafty Nicole more like Brickole with those 3 seconds brick 5d ago

It already happens multiple time no? I remember some livestream get moved to avoid Chinese holiday or something. They move livestream date whenever something going on happen on usual livestream date

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u/GamerBrae15 5d ago

why does it remind me of this😭

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u/TheCapybara9 5d ago

Ronova cursed HSR.

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u/LengthyLegato114514 5d ago

Boo!

Cowards!

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u/ItsMeTheMemeLord 5d ago

Yeah they should’ve done it on 9/10 instead of

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u/rondambanana 5d ago

Ah yes, the usual cast: the traveler, important characters and two characters we need to sell

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u/Tatatatatakane hydro and anemo enjoyer 5d ago

Vodyanitsa looks absolutely gorgeous as always

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u/VelinaMole6969 5d ago

2 sparkly faes trying to balance the dark aura

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u/Slaccnknack102 5d ago

Yes, Vesna, Vod, whoops her ass

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u/Used-Engine-9240 5d ago

WHERE IS PAIMON? DON'T U DARE TARGET HER AGAIN RONOVA.

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u/JazzlikeWerewolf9428 Future mains Istaroth and Vedrfolnir⏳️ 5d ago

Rhine and Tsarista are so beautiful

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u/sugarfreen0z 5d ago

the dinner with tsaritsa probs gonna be tense if the meeting includes rhine and dain

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u/Ordinary_Divide 5d ago

ronova in the background is nigh identical to when she placed the curse of immprtality in gods limits

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u/lleeiiiizzii Piupiupiu Apologist 5d ago

hello... I'm too afraid to ask.. but aren't those diamonds Asmonday...

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u/rantottvizilo Zhongli's pillar (the taller one) 5d ago edited 5d ago

I see Dain I click 👀🧠 anyway Visnu and Vodka look like tourist on this picture

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u/EphemeralScribe 5d ago

Now, I wonder what the hell is Rhinedottir up to here considering that from all we’ve seen and heard of her, her first and foremost allegiance is to herself above all else.

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u/JustHereForTheSnap 5d ago

I am half a mind to skip this whole livestream. They spoiled the entire 7.0 AQ in the livestream, and I am willing to bet they will do the same with 7.1 AQ too. They can't help themselves.

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u/poppypierro 5d ago

Its crazy we got rerir completely unspoiled yet rhinedottir and ronova are full front and center

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u/DominusIniquitatis 5d ago

Same. I wonder how would I feel about the AQ if I wouldn't have seen the livestream. Because it turned out to be like "oh yeah, sure, we're in theater, that's when Ronova comes in".

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u/WisconsinWintergreen Kinich 2nd storyquest manifestor 5d ago

I’m considering it too. Reminds me of when I decided to skip the 4.2 livestream, best decision I ever made because the Hydro Archon’s death verdict is spoiled immediately in the trailer

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u/kissing_drratio Where’s my goose? Perhaps it’s on the loose! 5d ago

Vodyanitsa and Vesna being there like “we too are in this patch”