r/MoralityScaling • u/Key-Spread-7513 • 14h ago
Morality Ranking Morality of this?
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u/natgrett 14h ago edited 14h ago
I mean is the business local, if anyone saw it happen, regardless of posting, the guys actions could still backfire on him or the business if people identify him. If my local water heater installer had a guy screaming about Christian nationalism I wouldn’t want them in my house especially if they aim to destroy private property they don’t agree with. The people have a right to know who they do business with and to feel sure of their safety when they do.
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u/bringer_of_jollity4 14h ago
I'm opposed to doxxing. This ain't doxxing. It's his business, on his truck. fafo
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u/they_themsworth 13h ago
Yes. I tend to think “doxxing” implies info a person would reasonably expect to stay private. Things you did in public, in the lobby of an open business, before hopping into a car with a huge branded logo on it is not that.
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u/vgkm 10h ago
I think it’s this incident here
https://www.fox13news.com/news/starbucks-customer-accused-ripping-down-stores-pride-flag.amp
Here’s the bodycam of him getting arrested.
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u/Thefluffiestcat20 9h ago
Shit, I didn't click on the links, wish I could take the heart back. The cops were too nice to him and he got out after 6 fucking hours
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u/the_boss_of_toys 4h ago
Not surprising i used to run away and fight all the time and the police mostly went "eh... stop it..." getting arrested is super easy... getting into jail is a little harder. Ive literally gone 35 over the speed limit, caught dead to rights by a cop and then let off with just a speeding ticket. Legally I should have went straight to jail. You could literally steal a TV from a Walmart and get let off, you could randomly punch a dude and get let off, you could trespass and get let off. You'd be surprised by how many cops really dont want to book you/legally cant.
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u/Pillsbernie 3h ago
That's because the American prison system is already overloaded with non-violent criminals
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u/patchouligirl77 8h ago
Yeah, but according to the comments on the arrest video, he lost his job because of it and was still unemployed eight months later. 😄
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u/RickieRelli 12h ago
sure freedom of speech means getting to commit hate crimes, but it also means being able to do this
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u/Blep145 11h ago
I think freedom of speech protects you from the government - it doesn't mean you get to go around saying whatever you want. I know you're not defending this person- it's just that a lot of people seem to think it means you can say whatever you want without consequence
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u/Dry-Manufacturer7761 9h ago
Exactly. Dude is publicizing his business. How the fuck is it immoral to state his company name!?
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u/WildGoose1521 4h ago
No. The original post is actually a link to a business supposedly listed on his truck and from there people quickly found the owner’s address and started posting his home address with comments saying “it’d be awful if someone paid him a visit”
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u/Late-Childhood1285 3h ago
They are literally portraying their business to personally identify them and quite literally destroy them
Both sides are Immoral
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u/WashedUpRiver 2h ago
Yeah, this is straight up what people mean when they tell you that you represent the company while wearing the logo and such. It's no different really than leaving a negative review and telling everyone they're shit.
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u/Thought-Space 14h ago
Censored for privacy? In 2026? No pics no video? I’ll take things that never happened.
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u/Low-Lifeguard-3455 14h ago
His actions are Immoral, Giving away the name of his business is Moral because of his actions.
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u/TickyTackyShotAFashy 14h ago
I have an earnest question, do the actions of the immoral change the morality of our response? Or does it change our willingness to accept the otherwise morally intolerable?
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u/Gape_the_snake 13h ago
Any action or reaction is morally decided on context imo, and the entire purpose of this subreddit, as is puts the action/reaction underneath a microscope to decide it's morality.
Example, murder is morally wrong. Murder in earnest defense of your life though is moral.
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u/LowEffort2 11h ago
Turn the narrative on its head and see if the act is still moral.
"A guy came into my store and was super nice. Anyway here is the company name we saw on the side of his truck. Have fun."
The positivity or negativity stems from the actions of "the guy" and not from the sharing of publicly available information.
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u/Blep145 11h ago
I feel like this fits neatly into the Tolerance Social Contract. This person wasn't tolerant of people who did nothing to harm them, seeking instead to harm these people. By choosing to be intolerant of people who (hopefully) did not harm to begin with, this person was no longer protected by the social contract.
More directly, there's levels, and responding to immoral actions in an immoral action can harm you and others that aren't the intended target
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u/Wreper659 13h ago
This is a hard question to me because of the idea of for me at least, Having the name be known to avoid the company and not support them, Moral, The name being released so people can harass the person even if they are not a good person is Immoral.
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u/BrockObarnerLybian 14h ago
Does an immoral action excuse the fact that this tweet has just potentially exposed him to further/more severe immoral action?
If someone had done this to an American flag and screamed something about Iranian school children, would you have the same stance?
In either case, the person associates a symbol with an immoral action, even if that symbol means something entirely different to most other people. Is it fair to put them at risk of physical/long-term harm because of the way they treated a symbolic piece of cloth?
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u/Low-Lifeguard-3455 13h ago
What you say has some truth to it. However as the event was told to us by this post. The man came into a business for the sole reason to destroy private property and spew right wing slop at the people working there for no other reason than because he wanted too, yeah no he can go to Hell. I would have called the police on him, not because specifically because of it being a pride flag, but because he is disturbing the peace and destroying private property, and is clearly disturbed and possibly a threat to the safety of the people working at the business. Same as the person in your example about the American flag and Iran.
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u/BrockObarnerLybian 13h ago
Fair, and I would take much less issue with calling the police than putting vague “justice” in the hands of internet strangers.
I don’t know that the post implied that he ONLY came in to do that though. I interpreted it as he was buying something at the register and started being a dick
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u/CornBin-42 14h ago edited 14h ago
If someone’s willing to go inside a business and damage property while throwing a tantrum like a child, regardless of their political affiliation, I would like to know the company they own/work for so I never give them my money
Edit: also assaulted the staff by throwing said damaged property at them
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u/lazy_animator 14h ago
If anyone did this in any situation to any store and had blatant disrespect for the workers and had a public outburst they should be put on blast, yeah. They would do it again other wise. Why are you defending the right to be belligerent?
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u/veganparrot 13h ago
There's a difference still: he chose to take these actions while using a truck with identifying info on it intended for public view. The point of the truck is to advertise the business, and this is a form of advertisement. It's totally fair game to note whatever is on the truck and spread it.
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u/RickityCricket69 14h ago
feels like a "that totally happened" moment
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u/PlateNo4868 14h ago
I would believe it.
Lot these folks doom scroll through that sort of content all day. Doesn't matter how shallow the message, get 10 content creators telling you Juan that robbed a store 2000 miles away is part of a bigger problem to you personally. Then you start assuming these things are your personal problem.
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u/KPraxius 14h ago
This kind of bullshit happens all the time. I've had a front-row seat to it a couple times while working retail.
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u/skpy12345 14h ago
The things people think they are safe to say while talking to you in a customer service phone call. I had a black co worker get called the n-word. I've been bullied by assholes. People just lose all sense of decency on the phone. Completely forgetting we can see their government name/address/email/social security number. As if being professional stopped anyone. 🙄
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u/Spiritual_Parking_70 14h ago
It does. I've been told off because the business i worked at had unisex bathrooms. And been ranted at about Biden because we had paper straws.
There's absolutely people with anger problems trapped in incredibly viscous conservstive echo chambers that have little outbursts like this.
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u/ContentFile7036 14h ago
It's hard to imagine conservative echo chambers honestly, it would be a welcome relief from a lot of the liberal echo chambers I see on Reddit constantly. I deeply dislike echo chambers in general, but a change of scenery would be nice :(
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u/human_i_suppose 12h ago
Something very similar is why the proud boy's leader wasn't at j6th.
He vandalized a church for having a pride flag and was in a jail cell at the time.
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u/ImpressiveDebt420 14h ago
I'm glad you've never experienced prejudice. Don't think everyone else hasn't either
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u/Several-Spirit-8452 14h ago
Immoral. How do we know this person isn't lying for their own reasons?
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u/phriendlyphellow 44m ago
Are we discussing the morality of the censorship of the hate crime perp orrrrr?
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u/New_Opportunity_6160 14h ago
Moral. He owns a public facing business. Whether you like it or not, you represent that business and so do your actions.
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u/MrTakeAHikePal 14h ago
Moral if the story happened as told. Doxing criminal behavior is fine. Doxing someone for nothing following group thought is immoral.
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u/Successful-Walk-4023 14h ago
Moral. People have a right to know who they are doing buisiness with. He did this by himself in public with identifiable logo, etc. The company could fire him to rid themselves of the cancer that is this man. I’d imagine I’d be fired doing something like this while wearing a company shirt I currently worked at as an example.
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u/ImSoSweepy 14h ago
Everything is performative, especially with the prior birdsexual Gen Z tumblerites reaching their self-described age of sexual maturity of...45.
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u/Fancy_Chips 10h ago
Destruction of property + battery + a hate crime. He's lucky doxxing is all they did.
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u/Princelyprincessboy 10h ago
He disrupted someone else's business with his own views, people are free to give him a taste of his own medicine.
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u/Hour_Lengthiness_851 8h ago
Sounds like he destroyed others property and committed harassment and disorderly conduct at the very least.
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u/Professional_Tale649 6h ago
its good to know what kind of people are at businesses, people reflect on the places of their work or that they own and personally I wouldn't want to do business with horrible people. It's hard enough dealing with all these corporations and such out of sheer necessity a lot of the time.
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u/OfficialNikkiLilith 6h ago
Fuck around and find out if your going to be a bigot don’t be surprised if your held accountable for your actions.
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u/the0nry0 6h ago
Destroying someone else's property- immoral, that's why its illegal. Exposing his business- fair, but pressing charges would be the more appropriate response imo because it's utilizing the existing structure all have agreed upon for processing these sorts of grievances.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 1h ago
Doesn't the guy want to advertise his business? Isn't that the point of putting it on the truck? Tbh the internet will give this guy a supporter for every detractor so it doesnt really matter. This is called advertising the guy probably had an intern post this.
Either way if the story is real I stand by helping someone advertise
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u/DurianFull4851 42m ago
What’s immoral is not showing the business name on this post
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u/centurion762 14h ago
Immoral. This could be a made up story posted by one of his competitors.
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u/Osirisavior 12h ago
It's not doxxing if it's publicly available information.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/T5ZpXjX5mz7jQ6mt9
If you live in the Santee CA area and you need heating and air repair definitely give them a call at (619) 324-5398 for you know heating and air.
Do not harass this individual for expressing his opinion.
All public information.
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u/ContentFile7036 14h ago
Immoral to damage someone else's property and disrupt their work without any reasonable provocation. Immoral to dox them as a form of retaliation. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially since OP never explicitly said that this information was publicly available.
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u/Downloaded_Delta 14h ago
I mean if it true, doubt, I'd say it's morally neutral.
The person had the business on the vehicle he used.
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u/ChiselRivet 14h ago
Morality of allowing hate to spread?
Difficult. I mean I hate activists and woke people. At least the ones who riot, loot, commit arson, assassinate political figures, celebrate their deaths, and then have the audacity to think they can take the moral high ground.
Violence and murder are not justified. Charlie Kirk was always willing to debate, so the people who attempt to use the Paradox of Tolerance to justify his death have no clue how stupid they look.
I understand their intentions are good.
The Egalitarian Pluralistic worldview is impossible to achieve. It’s a paradox.
People with this worldview believe in equality. They believe there should be no hierarchy.
However, they ALSO believe that their worldview is superior to all other worldviews.
That is NOT equality. THAT is hierarchy.
They claim to value pluralism. They believe that all people from all cultures and all walks of life should be welcomed. Unless you disagree with them. Then they Tre you like a pariah. Especially if you’re conservative or Christian.
The whole thing is one big performative contradiction. They are hypocrites blind to their own hypocrisy.
I think that’s probably why they seem to have this insane Actor-Observer Bias, but hey, humility is a virtue. Why cultivate virtue when you can just virtue signal?
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u/CuteResolution5538 14h ago
Moral. No one called for violence, just pointing out who this douche is. If he loses business from it, that’s capitalism. He expressed himself, assaulted staff (yes assaulted, an act intended to create harm or cause fear of harm) and they didn’t even call the police. He had his free “speech” moment, now everyone else gets to have theirs by disassociating with him as they please. The first amendment doesn’t protect you from damaging relationships with friends, family, or associates or from reputational or business losses for your sad emotional outbursts in public. Stop being weak. Hold your shit together.
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u/Medium_Tell8679 14h ago
Im not sure what you're asking. The morality of him snapping the flag in half or you putting his business out there to get it canceled?
Its illegal to take your property and destroy it, even a simple flag. Next time you can just file a police report. Putting someone else's name out there to be canceled often backfires on you.
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u/doolittle187 13h ago
Moral if the incident happened as described.
Immoral if they're lying and trying to get someone harassed.
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u/WorthwhileGratitude 13h ago
warranted but still immoral IMO, they person probably did have these views internalized, but they could have had a mental break due to shit prior, all it takes is one bad day.
they could also be some ignorant ass boomer tho, idfk. im a fencesitter and there's prolly more at play here.
OP's defo the victim here no matter how I look at it, but leaking their personal info didn't really do much post-situation.
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u/subduedReality 13h ago
Advertising. I think advertising is neutral. If a person wants to be associated with certain behaviors they should do those behaviors. If a person does not want to be associated with certain behaviors they should not do those behaviors.
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u/BenKillsCreeper 13h ago
As a Christain, i really hate when Christains go out and do stuff like this. If your book tells you to love everyone, even your enemies, you dont go and do hateful stuff like this. They're misrepresenting their savior by being a horrid example (also im just assuming its christain cause, they mentioned charlie kirk that was his whole thing alongside politics)
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u/timsayscalmdown 13h ago
I'm willing to bet the kind of person that does this believes very strongly in the concept of free speech. Which is what this is. Based and moral.
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u/AMerryKa 13h ago
It's moral to do this.
It's not moral to share this unless you know them personally and know that it's true.
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u/Chase_The_Breeze 12h ago
Neutral. An eye for an eye is not moral. However, publicly pointing out a persons beliefs and actions with no inherent threat is not actively immoral.
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u/doiwantacookie 11h ago
Fine if true. OTOH it’s not moral to act on this kind of thing as an internet stranger. Who knows if they’re lying, anyway there’s better things to do.
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u/peachy_ricky 10h ago
Moral. People deserve to know the type of people they are doing business with, and there would be no need to make the public aware of his behavior if he hadn’t acted like this in public while driving a work vehicle. Simple as that.
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u/Tablequesting 10h ago edited 10h ago
Depends did he actually do it or is this a hoax? Because I’m all for putting assholes on blast for causing a disturbance and the destruction of property.
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u/GodButCursed 10h ago
Doxxing in my country atleast only counts for information you didnt share publicly or had shared publicly be others that u allowed
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u/werewolf-luvr 9h ago
Whatever he gets he deserves, destruction of property,physical and verbal harassment, technically assault sense he threw the item too. Fuk em
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u/Dry-Manufacturer7761 9h ago
Morality of being a bigoted asshole? That is never moral.
I’m not getting the question.
If you’re talking about putting someone on blast for their behavior, that is moral.
If your truth upsets you, change your truth.
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u/Ragnarok345 9h ago
No, don’t fucking censor that shit. That person chose to have that information out and publicly available.
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u/GlimmeringGuise 9h ago
He's the idiot who's being rude as hell like this when he also publicly advertises exactly who he is. Totally morally justified to name and shame him - FAFO
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u/SuggestionOk456 8h ago
Honestly I say posting that info is more then morally correct...cause I personally say this is a warning for any of his businesses partners of reps who wouldn't wanna associate with this kinda bad press...
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u/Wide_Fennel_2455 8h ago
well everyone is free to go to buisnesses that they would feel comfortable in so therefore this person is doing a service for all queer people
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u/S7arForGD 7h ago
I mean, if you yell at me through no fault of my own, you pretty much become free game.
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u/DemonRaily 6h ago
For it to be moral I would have to be sure without a reasonable doubt that it actually happened and it is not a made up story to get back at someone for personal reasons.
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u/NoScreen618 6h ago
Moral for the poster, immoral for anyone taking action based on an easily falsified social media post
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u/AntOk4073 4h ago
I think it kind of depends on the details of the business. If he is the owner then yeah blast him and let him feel the ramifications of his actions. But if he is just an employee I would contact the business first to let them know how he is acting while operating as an extension of that business. If they don't take measures to reprimand him then blast them.
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u/jackparadise1 3h ago
He really isn’t that bright. Best to commit hate crimes on his personal time and not when he is an ambassador of his company.
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u/Slatemanforlife 3h ago
Is there actual evidence if this? I mean, I can snap a mini-pride flag in half and blame it on anyone I want.
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u/Pillsbernie 3h ago
Morality of letting everyone know that a criminal bigot? Entirely moral. In fact, not just moral, but a basic duty of decent human beings.
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u/PearlHarbor_420 3h ago
Moral. It's about time assholes got a comeuppance. I'm a fan of assholes getting summer teeth. Summer here and summer there.
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u/Infinite_Perceiver 3h ago
You can literally do anything you want. AND you can deal with the consequences of people reacting however they want. Consequences
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u/Everybodysbastard 2h ago
Moral. He destroyed private property and his employer gets to hear who they're got employed.
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u/Eastern-Move549 2h ago
Im by no mean an advocate for pride flags everywhere but going into somewhere and acting a dick about it isnt on.
He chose to advertise his business and act a dick.
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u/TraditionalHome990 2h ago
I want to think he was just clumsy and snapped it by accident and went to apologize but got overwhelmed and meant to say he hated Charlie Kirk to appear as an ally but mumbled it and fled
Happened to me
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u/DrSherb740 2h ago
I dont count it as doxing if you walked into a business, committed property damage, and left them you business info.
Thats just bad marketing
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u/ghostbonez4lyfe 1h ago
Good thing he bonded out. Dumbo here woulda just sailed out of jail on those ears.
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u/DalekSupreme26 1h ago
You want to fuck around, you’re going to find out. I would have done the same thing, maybe even gotten his license plate too
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u/notcranium 1h ago
You have to assume the original story is accurate to justify the actions taken. If it was true, then justified and the guy was a douche.
But since we see so many half truths and lies on the internet from people with an agenda, I don't assume it was true without evidence. This story seems like a lie. Random guy zeros in on a small flag, rips up flag, then also happens to hit other trigger topics for the left? Sus.
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u/aimlessendeavors 59m ago
I'm not sure that it is immoral, but the positive results could cause a rise in other people lying about something happening to get those same results. So I wouldn't personally do this, but I doubt that it is immoral if the story is true.
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u/Bruhntly 57m ago
Morality of censoring someone speaking out about a hate crime committed against them?
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u/RedditUser19984321 44m ago
I think it was immoral to rip the flag, not his property.
I also find it immoral to want to go after his business but also not illegal, so have at it.
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u/EnvironmentNo1966 15m ago
It would be different if they gave people his home address, giving the company name
So people can avoid said company is fine.
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u/Anon82634 3m ago
Both immoral. You shouldn't damage property and yell at people. However exposing a company to possible widespread outrage and the damage that could cause to the business and other employees due to 1 persons poor behavior is imo even worse. Unless its the owner, your possibly going to cause damage to someone else's company and other employees livelihoods due to 1 persons poor behavior they had no control over.
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u/ProChoiceAtheist15 14h ago
He acted freely in public while his info was displayed in public. FAFO