r/MoralityScaling • u/AuthenticatedHuman • 12h ago
The morality of digging through the personal life of a juror
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u/hypnofemdomfan 12h ago
jurors are meant to be completely anonymous, if anonymity cannot be guaranteed it leads to wose outcomes. why would I ever vote guility if it could lead to negatives consequences from guility persons allies
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u/WendigoCrossing 12h ago
In America? You know the jurors sit in a box visibly and not a 1 way mirror right?
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u/StaySubstantial4333 12h ago
Are camera's allowed to film jurors in court?
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u/Nomahs_Bettah 10h ago
No, but their names and even addresses are a matter of public record in Massachusetts.
'[T]he identities of jurors empanelled to serve at criminal trials are presumptively public under long-standing Massachusetts law, practice, and tradition.’ Commonwealth v. Fujita, 470 Mass. 484, 486 (2015). By statute, this information is public record, and the lists ‘contain[ing] the name, address, and date of birth of each juror … shall be available upon request for inspection by parties, counsel, their agents, and members of the public.’
There is technically an exemption for potential harm to the jurors, but it is rarely granted. That it was granted in the case of Karen Read upset a lot of people given one of the many bases for this rule (prevention of jury tampering, corruption, or covering up personal familiarity or relationships between jurors and plaintiffs/defendants).
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u/Far-Fennel-3032 10h ago
Oh God, this is gonna be a nightmare. They are all gonna get endless death threats sent to their address.
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u/rydan 10h ago
And credit cards opened in their name.
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u/Far-Fennel-3032 10h ago
Didn't even think of that. This is gonna be a complete cluster fuck, I hope to god a judge gets ahead of this and protects their identities.
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u/Nomahs_Bettah 10h ago edited 10h ago
Even when identities are sealed, a fair amount about jurors is often released. The OJ Simpson civil trial is somewhat unusual for having sealed identities in a civil trial, and it has led to one of the most fascinating juror descriptions I have ever read:
Juror 341(Seat 2): A white woman and bank employee who appears to be in her 60s. She wrote on her jury questionnaire that, in her opinion, the use of force in a relationship often predisposes a person to violence. She said she believes Simpson is probably not guilty. She thinks interracial marriages can cause problems. She also said she has no strong feelings about law enforcement, although she said she was "amazed" that former Detective Mark Fuhrman received only probation for felony perjury.
The anti-domestic violence, pro-OJ Simpson acquittal, anti-interracial marriage woman who was estimated to be born in roughly 1935 is a highly unusual combination of beliefs. Close second is this guy:
Juror 326 (Seat 9): A white man in his 50s who believes police are sometimes involved in cover-ups. "Of course they cover up for each other," he said. "It's been done before." He also said it was "possible" that evidence in the case had been tampered with and was doubtful about blood found on a gate at Nicole Brown Simpson's home two months after the murders. He was among the nine criminal trial jurors and eight civil trial jurors who thought that Simpson was less likely to be a murderer because he was a professional athlete.
EDIT: People also very much underestimate how invasive a pre-trial jury questionnaire gets. On the subject of the OJ Simpson trial, that questionnaire has been made public.
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u/TheBraveGallade 6h ago
I mean, there was a reason OJ went free.
he was 'guilty' of the crime, (man even all but admits it in his book) everyone can see that, but the entire process was so fucked up that IF we tried him guilty it would basically be santioning all the fucked up shit that happened leading up to it.
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u/Little_Ingenuity_712 10h ago
The juror records in this case are sealed for now. That will be extended
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u/CleanOpossum47 9h ago
[T]he identities of jurors empanelled to serve at criminal trials are presumptively public under long-standing Massachusetts law, practice, and tradition.’ Commonwealth v. Fujita, 470 Mass. 484, 486 (2015).
11 years is considered "long-standing... tradition"???
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u/Dahlia-WF 12h ago edited 3h ago
This is blatantly incorrect. Anonymous juries only happen in special cases
Juror identities are typically part of court record
Edit: it's so funny to me with this sub. People don't understand the statement of fact OP comment made about jurors in general is not a prescriptive claim. This sub is a hellscape of morons
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u/gypsysailor9 10h ago
In this case the identity of the jurors was supposed to remain anonymous for 14 days, unless the jurors identify themselves. If anything, whichever juror leaked the name to the news station should be held in contempt of court. Even though the news didnt reveal the name, the juror most certainly did.
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u/Reasonable-Mess3070 7h ago
The news station absolutely did reveal his name. They took the video down and replaced it with a redacted one but they did it after the original already circulated for hours
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u/ttircdj 11h ago
But in terms of who voted for what in a mistrial, it’s not super common to know.
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u/Aerpolrua 8h ago
Of utmost immorality.
I thought jury intimidation was punished with a minimum 20 year sentence. People releasing his info in order to have him be attacked by certain people in the public should be punished harshly as it affect the entire justice system.
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u/Main-Vacation2007 12h ago
Sounds like hit job.
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u/Anxious-One-2365 3h ago
See how these use the term “allegations”??? Since it is only an allegation, they can say it with no proof. Such BS and hit job.
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u/brinz1 6h ago
Black guy, voted against how the media was pushing, there is a reason he's the only juror who isn't having press days
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u/Reptillianaire_ 11h ago
I would love a full back ground check on all the other 11 jurors so I can judge them
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u/Little_Ingenuity_712 9h ago
One of the female jurors that voted to free her also has a criminal record
But you don’t see NBC publishing it
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u/Weak_Pineapple_5518 9h ago
I don’t understand how these news stations are trying to twist things to fit a “narrative”. Genuinely, how is there even a narrative to fit to? How is the world so fucked up that we have a significant population of women actually support her actions and saying they would do the same/feel the same? I really don’t get it and I really feel for any children watching their mother support this evil bitch.
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u/louwyatt 6h ago
Can I ask how you know that, struggling to find info on it.
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u/Sonnyjoon91 10h ago
We need full background checks, employment history, criminal history, and CPS reports on every single juror, the judge, the lawyers, and the court workers involved in this case.
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u/Bow_To_Bella 10h ago
HAHAHA "alledged." So they dirtied themselves but still failed. Wonderful.
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u/cyborgsnowflake 12h ago
Did they dig as deeply into the backgrounds of the other jurors? Even if he's beaten hundreds does that automatically make his vote morally and legally incorrect? It kind of feels funny how all the outrage and venom on one side is going everywhere but the person who brutally slayed multiple children. Oh she just strangled a bunch of children but my dude you are accused of domestic violence in a divorce proceeding. Like how can you live with yourself?
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u/True_Growth9034 12h ago
I wonder how different the response would be if it had been a white woman who was the holdout.
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u/RepulsiveDig9091 9h ago
Oh it got even funnier, one of the female jurors confirmed to a black show host that the juror was a black male. The shock and bafflement on her face was amazing and showed what people are thinking about his identity.
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u/Weird_existence8008 11h ago
They’d say she was brainwashed by the men in her life and call her a traitor to women.
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u/Itchy_Rip_9012 9h ago
Literally came here to say this. There is nothing crazy wine moms apparently cant accomplish in this timeline. Im convinced if enough upper middle class white women start thinking and believing something, millions of others will too for literally no other reason. Wtf
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u/EnterruRif 6h ago
Tbf you just described herd mentality which occurs no matter what your demographic is
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u/Fit-Entrepreneur8404 6h ago
True but it's definitely been shown that women are more succeptible to social/emotional contagion.
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u/Kyia-Aikman 5h ago
It doesn’t help that so many men think women have special knowledge and are something like wise sages when the reality is very much different. They’re humans, not philosopher kings. The ability to give birth doesn’t make you Yoda or Gandalf.
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u/Fit_Foot_6004 8h ago
I really don't understand what some of these women are going for. The woman lied for months about the violent thoughts she was having. Are they trying to say that if a woman gets diagnosed with post partum depression, the state will have to take their kids away because they are no longer responsible for their actions for however long it takes?
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u/rdg04 4h ago
if a woman is diagnosed with postpartum psychosis why should they be left alone with the child? i wouldn't leave anyone going through psychosis alone with a child... i thought this was always just common sense? i have a family member with schizophrenia (on meds) and no one would expect him to be alone and doing the care giving of a child by himself.
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u/Evening_Context784 2h ago
No one diagnosed her with postpartum psychosis. No aspect of postpartum psychosis was ever mentioned until after she spoke with her lawyer.
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u/labellavita1985 1h ago edited 55m ago
I agree, but there's a huge, huge emphasis on parents' rights in the USA. Even neglectful and abusive parents often don't lose their parental rights. It takes A LOT. It's crazy. Other countries are not like this.
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u/D0faak 9h ago
Well of course they didn’t. It was a bunch of white liberal women trying to bully a black man into letting that psycho walk free lmao
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u/Significant-Gate2594 11h ago
Digging through his life or just printing libel at this point to smear a guy for not following an agenda? Disgusting journalism
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u/evol_won 11h ago
Was it really domestic violence?
Or it was it perfectly excusable mental illness?
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u/DildMaster 10h ago
Bro has pre-nut psychosis! Give him millions of dollars and let him walk free!
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u/SimbasTripRip 10h ago
You know who else has a history of domestic violence? The defendant.
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u/ForGrowingStuff 9h ago
Also it specifically says allegations. You know what we call a person with criminal allegations but no convictions?
INNOCENT
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u/BigDragonfly5136 3h ago
No no only Lindsay Clancy, who has said multiple times she did it and described in detail how she strangled and told her kids to “Go with God” something only the killer would know, is innocent until proven guilty.
Her husband and this jury are guilty until they prove themselves innocent, obviously.
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u/sooslimtim187 9h ago
So yeah definitely at least one person on the jury was of her peers.
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u/NotUsedUsernameYet 7h ago
“History of domestic violence allegations” means “wasn’t convicted, not guilty”.
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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 4h ago
Not only is this absolutely immoral, but I hope they also face legal troubles for this, as this is DANGEROUSLY close to an obstruction of justice charge or at least aggravated intimidation of a juror.
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u/AuthenticatedHuman 3h ago
I think its juror intimidation, but i wanted people's opinion
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u/paleocacher 7h ago
Aren’t juries supposed to be anonymous? The fact that they are this close to doxxing him is incredibly irresponsible. The media doesn’t get held accountable enough for their actions in this country.
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u/ReasonableDoubt_0726 6h ago
The fact they’re making these claims without identifying could even suggest it’s false and they’re trying to smear to deflect from the self admitted bias towards the defendant of some of the other jurors.
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u/fissilefidget 11h ago
Jurors should be protected and legally obligated to sign NDA's. There is no reason to crucify someone for offering their honest opinion on a legal case as a juror.
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u/monyoubluetuber 9h ago
This person would have CONVICTIONS not allegations if this spin article had any merit other than pandering to violence and clickbait.
Whatever their past is- good on you juror for standing up for those innocent children.
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u/Feathered_Serpent8 12h ago
There is nothing wrong or illegal about researching someone. Prior arrests and such are things you can publicly find and these are open hearing. It is genuinely interesting to know about the people deciding this case especially with all the drama around the lone holdout.
What is immoral is using that as a means to disqualify a qualified juror. There are rules, and assuming the guy was properly vetted, he would qualify as your peer in the “jury of your peers.” You may think you are better than someone for not having committed a crime, but that doesn’t make you any more or less of a peer in the society.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t jurors allowed to vote their conscious? Like the guy is being treated as if he did something illegal, but isn’t this part of the law for this exact reason? Someone’s moral convictions were strong enough to withstand the pressure of the defense and the 11 other jurors. I’m sure you could say oh it’s all for money and attention, but honestly in this case, they all were going to get this attention. We will probably have 4 books come out in the next 2 years about a different juror’s perspective.
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u/DBSmiley 11h ago edited 11h ago
There is something morally wrong about journalistic outlets investigating jurors to the extent that they are coming close to outright doxing them.
Jurors are supposed to be anonymous. Just because a couple white women on the jury wanted their 15 minutes of Fame doesn't mean that it's suddenly okay to start doxing everyone else.
Any media outlet disclosing identifying information about a juror beyond the broadest possible demophraphic data honestly should be disallowed from being in the courtroom, as they are a risk to juror safety.
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u/PUNCH-WAS-SERVED 11h ago
Shit isn't about journalism. Right now, it's just clicks. Shit is disgusting on many fronts.
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u/Mysterious_Ad_8105 1h ago
Jurors are supposed to be anonymous.
This is a common sentiment in this thread, but as a legal matter, it’s exactly backwards. Court proceedings in the U.S., including the identities of jurors, are generally matters of public record by default. Juries are typically only anonymized in exceptional circumstances.
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u/maodiran 11h ago
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t jurors allowed to vote their conscious?
Yepppp, this is built into the system to prevent punitive action for laws the public doesn't agree with. It's the first time I've seen it used this way though.
As the judge stated, what the juror did was completely legal.
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u/Ernesto_Bella 4h ago edited 4h ago
What they are doing is tainting the jury pool for a retrial. They are letting everyone know that if you vote the wrong way you will be doxxed.
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u/rdg04 4h ago
i know they screen out jurors who have committed crimes...maybe cause he wasn't convicted? often victims don't pursue legal action to the fullest and drop charges against the offender so they have a clean slate- i know in rape cases jurors are dismissed if they have been SA victims or SA perps (convicted) which is why i think rape trials end in not guilty and light sentencing- most cases are not pursued and victims don't speak out- you weed out all victims (1 in 3 women are victims SA) that leaves a large chance you will have a never convicted rapist as a juror which can sway outcomes.
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u/illini02 2h ago
While its not illegal, I find it morally wrong because they are ONLY doing this to one person. If they did a deep dive expose on the history of every juror, that wouldn't be great, but it would at least be fair.
They are doing this to try to portray him in a shitty light because a certain group of people doesn't like him.
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u/downwithsocks 12h ago
I got DQ'd from being a juror because my social anxiety was making me shaky. Why didn't they DQ the person BEFORE the trial if they had issues with them?
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u/Braith117 10h ago
The lawyers relevant to the case had no issues with him.
The wine moms who think Patrick was secretly the killer, in the other hand, do carr and want any excuse to gripe.
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u/Excellent_Humor_5532 12h ago
Immoral. Especially when you are the moral 1 out of the 12.
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u/ManTheHarpoons100 11h ago
Anyone who simps for this woman is a scumbag. End of story.
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u/GuillimanCrow 11h ago
i know, strangling 3 kids one after the other sure looks like psychosis dont it? ridiculous, i could understand if she stabbed a kid quickly in a heated moment under psychosis, but not this. people are so naive.
fact of the matter is shes a pathetic bitch who selfishly wanted to spare her children from seeing her commit suicide. she might be one of the most dispicable vile human beings Ive ever heard about.
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u/Brofessor-0ak 10h ago
Damn, that’s wild. She still murdered her own three children in cold blood though
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u/CHIITALIAN 8h ago
Was he convicted? Just Allegations? A history?? What 1, if it was a large number they would have stated that.
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u/FiftyIsBack 8h ago
Oh nice. Now we're trying to publicly shame and engage in character assassination because he didn't get the daily mental programming update.
Completely immoral.
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u/ReleaseMeFromHell 5h ago
domestic violence?
but he was just having pre-nut psychosis, he was hormonal.
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u/HOJK4thSon 3h ago
Allegations...like no woman ever made false claims. Show me a conviction, an arrest with plea deal.
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u/vHezoThaGoat 12h ago
Juror: I think the mom who killed her three kids should be in jail, you people are insane
Media: Lol ain’t you whoop your girlfriends ass?
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u/vHezoThaGoat 12h ago edited 12h ago
His past doesn’t matter
It’s ridiculous they doxxed him just because he was the only one who thought a lady who killed her children should be in fucking jail
Not moral
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u/gypsysailor9 12h ago
Disgusting! This is fucking pathetic, a hit job on a juror?! Beyond immoral.
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u/UltraXrayKodiakBears 7h ago edited 7m ago
What gets me is the entire bullshit discourse around this entire jury. This one bloke is being dragged across social media and by other jury members as having already made uo his mind and being biased etc etc. but the 11 including the nut jobs that have attempted to slander and dox him are apparently completely neutral, unbiased and fair in their conduct.
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u/Jack-Of-Shades 12h ago
What the hell is going on with this trial? Folks are plastered to the hold out juror. They are using claims, which can’t be proven since the juror is anonymous, to discredit and slander this individual. This needed to be a fair and just trial, which it has proven not to be. Our criminal justice system is falling farther into the deepest recesses of the circus. Honk honk clowns.
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u/Famous_Requirement56 12h ago
The jury system can't survive if jurors don't remain anonymous, and it can't survive if jurors refuse to do their jobs. A juror's job is to deliberate in good faith.
The doxxing is bad for society. This guy is either a martyr or a piece of shit, depending on what was going through his head when he started playing on his phone (if he actually did that).
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u/PUNCH-WAS-SERVED 11h ago
And the clowns who have gone on to do interviews for their 15 minutes of fame/shame are now exposing themselves as not being good jurors. The bitches were so damn feral about ganging up on the lone guy, trying so hard to convince him that he was wrong and that he needed to say not guilty. I would actually shake the dude's hand for standing up to bullies. Fuckers are batshit crazy and clearly didn't listen to the damn evidence.
A woman strangled her three kids. Who gives a fuck if she was "not herself" or whatever they want to argue? It's some kind of manslaughter at the very least.
There are people who are put away for 10+ years because they accidentally hit someone while drunk, and they don't get to walk away. She is trying to pull an insanity defense now when she clearly was sane enough to plan this shit.
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u/Signal-Yesterday7247 10h ago
"History of domestic violence allegations" lol. That says a lot.
This whole case is a mess and is an amazing example of why the media shouldn't have a single role in legal proceedings.
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u/Crazyguy_123 8h ago
Extremely immoral. People are only mad because he didn’t agree with the others. He didn’t feel comfortable with their decision and he didn’t change his stance. He had that right as a juror it’s his judgement not theirs. Doxxing him and outing his private life because he didn’t agree with the others jurors isn’t right at all.
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u/Otan781012 7h ago
History of domestic violence? Doesn't that mean he was the only peer on the jury? She admitted to domestic violence (the worst form of it), if anything the others weren't eligible because they weren't peers. Seroiously, every jury should have at least 1 person with "experience" in the crime being judged.
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u/Bullfrog-Basic 12h ago
Maybe his domestic violence was a temporary hormonal thing
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u/BootsyCalrissian 9h ago
"Allegations" and yet no convictions. Hmmmm. You know who isn't alleged? Clancy. She murdered those three children. That's not an allegation that's fact.
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u/Holiday-Engine-1878 1h ago
“We couldn’t manipulate the justice system so let the mob handle our agenda” type shit.
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u/bigtoeupmyass 12h ago
They also neglect that the plaintiff in his case has a dv conviction and its possible he's innocent and she's framing him
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u/PuzzleheadedAd1953 11h ago
Immoral. Putting out hit jobs or targeting jurors is a GREAT way to let them make juries "anonymous". Cut that shit out.
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u/Luigi_Caleetusi 7h ago
A history of domestic violence allegations ? Really trying to smear this man when he was convicted of nothing
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u/igotzquestions 2h ago
And if you ask me, domestic violence allegations are wayyyyyy worse than murdering multiple children. He’s evil!!
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u/autismo-nismo 12h ago
This is the kind of shit that gets people killed.
People on juries have been murdered for simply being selected as a juror in high profile cases.
This shit is really going to get out of hand fast.
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u/GeneralProgrammer886 10h ago
I think people are misunderstanding what happened his name nor origins have been released so it cannot be doxxing.
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u/Internal_Pangolin707 12h ago
Totally immoral to dig through and broadcast the personal life of a juror, immoral to dig through and broadcast the personal lives of anyone without you have consent first. If they withhold permission it's also very immoral to broadcast the speculations as to why, and publicly ask the question "what do they have to hide."
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u/Empuda 12h ago
Disgusting. Hope they get sued and the guy becomes rich. Then he can write a book about it all and farm some more.
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u/vegetastolemygirl 12h ago
Lets be honest. Its cuz he’s a black man. Thats why they goin so hard at him🤷🏽♂️
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u/Creepy_Ad_1315 12h ago
I mean I think they were going to go after whoever in this situation, however it is fun watching people freak out about it though. Sucks form him. They're about to put his whole life on blast.
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u/DismalExit6036 11h ago
Trying to discredit a guy who thinks murder is wrong is wild.
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u/ManTheHarpoons100 12h ago
They're going to do everything in their power to destroy this man so the next time a black man has an opinion that goes against the narrative they want he backs down instead of standing up.
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u/Useful_Charity1995 11h ago
Moral: this is a jury of her peers and having a violent offender is basically the peer of a child strangling murderer. Maybe this juror also suffers from psychosis and didn’t think Clancy had it based on his experiences? It’s incredibly immoral witch-hunting a juror because he didn’t vote a certain way especially since the court and judge respected his decision. Clancy is getting another trial so why they are attacking this man is ridiculous. If Clancy is innocent by reason of insanity, then she will still get that outcome in the second trial.
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u/GeneralProgrammer886 11h ago
This is just how you know the subreddit is screwed why are you saying the salem witch trial are justified you didnt have to make your point.
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u/Hot-Bid-4493 11h ago
Woman beating is immoral in most circumstances. Killing your children is evil.
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u/Itchy_Rip_9012 9h ago
Lol, the irony. Im guessing it had nothing to do with violence against children. Or, Ya know...murder. but its somehow relevant, right?
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u/Mobile-Analyst8580 9h ago
This its disgusting and seems super illegal. I hope the guy sues these monsters.
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u/Mephistocheles 9h ago
Hyper immoral. That guy seems to have been the only person with a brain and spine in that entire group of people.
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u/PointsOfXP 8h ago
Sounds like it's the governments problem. How stupid can you actually be when selecting 12 of hundreds of millions of people? It can't be that fucking hard
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u/rcbz1994 8h ago
Watching people have more anger for this juror than the woman who strangled her kids is wild.
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u/S7arForGD 7h ago
Everything the press does lately is immoral. From being spineless, to actively besmirching someone's image without proof.
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u/the0nry0 6h ago
Immoral. Our justice system hinges on being as impartial as possible. Doxxing jurors invites the potential for justice to be swayed by public opinion, or for movements that only certain "types" can be jurors. We are supposed to be judged by our peers, not by someone's idea of an uninpeachable saint.
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u/ReasonableDoubt_0726 6h ago
Smells like a smokescreen to deflect from how the other jurors who’ve been running to the media have managed to reveal their own bias in their verdict.
I mean the only way he can deny this is to reveal himself and that would be literally suicidal at this point. So I’d be very suspicious of this.
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u/Joeybfast 6h ago
Since they expressly said allegation that means that he wasn't convicted of anything.
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u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348 6h ago
Disgustingly immoral to harass the hero juror.
He’s still a better man than any of these other horrible people.
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u/ThatFatGuyMJL 6h ago
Its recently been revealed the juror was the only black man on the jury.
So of course theyre lying he had a felony
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u/gifted_pistachio 5h ago
I feel like the true start of this misstep is the fact that the jurors have been taking interviews. Idk how this is ok so close to the trial and especially before the next one. This guy was doxxed well before this headline. I tried to look it up and it’s hard to determine how much of that was his doing or not. But once you let that information out…I don’t see how news outlets are that “off” for digging. It seems like the natural chain of events after an initial wrong.
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u/Old_Collection1475 1h ago
"I feel like the true start of this misstep is the fact that the jurors have been taking interviews. Idk how this is ok so close to the trial and especially before the next one."
The first amendment.
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u/Adept-Swing7628 5h ago
You can't tell me there isn't an invested want to see this murderer go free. Someone is putting some serious money into protecting her.
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u/Least_Painter_5850 4h ago
From what we know Lindsey clacy lied to her doctors got all help imaginable and still though nah murder my children she isnt insane its very clear she is sane
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u/Lion_From_The_North 3h ago
Trying desperately and cynically to defame a supreme hero for the benefit of a psychotic criminal is, easily, pure evil
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u/NoticeNo7336 3h ago
It's shocking that they actually still have this up. They're rightfully getting torched in the comments. This is just straight up defamation at this point.
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u/Low_Independence339 3h ago
So like at what point are we going to hold that lady accountable. Damn every finger being pointed at everyone else but the lady who killed her kids
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u/Accomplished-Cut43 2h ago
“Domestic violence allegations” he was definitely going to hold the murderer accountable for her actions lmaoooo idk why they’re trying to paint it as a bad thing that someone who has DV allegations is a juror for domestic murder of three children lmaooo definitely a woman came up with that idea to make it seem like a bad thing for that specific case
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u/Dragonfruit7206 2h ago
Damn Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, 4chan and the mayority of Tik tok all agree that this woman should rot in jail…so why are so crazy psychos wanting her not to?
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u/TrackMan5891 2h ago
They care more about discrediting this guy than they do that this woman to quote one of the female juorors "brutally killed her 3 children"
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u/missourinative 2h ago
They know the mentally sane public is proud of this guy. They want to drag this out for ratings, so they’ll side with the minority of opinions and be delusional for the sake of controversy.
You have to be 100% aware to be this out of touch.
The sad reality is the media would love it if some insane individual killed this juror. Purely for the story.
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u/Deepvaleredoubt 1h ago
This threatens the very foundations of our legal system. The witch hunt should shift to those who think it is okay to threaten jurors.
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u/MrMiyagi13 1h ago
“Allegations” 🤣🤣🤣 without seeing details, I’m not believing “allegations.” Long past that stage.
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u/Nexus_Neo 1h ago
Ah yes
Domestic violence allegations
Clearly the true evil in the face of...
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Triple premeditated filicide.
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u/Bellickboi 1h ago
Immoral and honestly a travesty. DV allegations means little to me honestly because they are easy to get and they say very little about what actually happened. I need to see convictions. In florida, basically any altercation, you are going to jail for dv.
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u/InTwilligPorgnatin 1h ago
Immoral and everyone doing digging into the juror's identity should be charged and sent to jail while losing all applicable licenses.
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u/Sensitive-Spread1988 1h ago
Sounds like he may have been the only one qualified
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u/Sea-Mix5704 1h ago
downplay that juror as much as you want, he is wiser than all the other 11 combined
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u/Yourlocalguy30 1h ago
I'd say it's only ok if you're going to do the exact same thing to the other 11 jurors. What is their criminal history? How about their mental health history? What kind of meds are they on and for what?
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u/Melodic_Fall_3273 1h ago
Absolutely Immoral. The movement out there trying to browbeat this one person because he stood his ground for whatever reason is dangerous. These Jurors that have come forward and started to pound their social justice drums or special rights drums need to be shut up. The Judge should have put a gag order on all of them for some period of time to stop this media hype, and wait until a decision is made on a retrial.
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u/Mooselager 55m ago
Allegations? What does that even mean anymore? One of the 'journalists' could have just said it over cover & that makes it a allegation.
Occupy Wallstreet really fucked the world over.
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u/billdizzle 49m ago
Absolutely disgusting they are doing this to this man who did his civic duty the best he could
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u/RavingGenerate 43m ago
I'm not shocked to see how quickly many of the other jurors have run to the media about this guy.
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u/adent1066 42m ago
I think the juror has a right to sue the courts, the other jurors, the defense attorney, and the media for defamation of character. It’s been a racist witch-hunt
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u/Happy-Addition-9507 35m ago
The irony of a bunch of white democrats telling a black man how to vote
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u/StreetSmartsGaming 33m ago
There is something very strange going on with this case. From the way the defense attorney would repeatedly scold and lecture the judge with no consequence to the way the news and social media has covered it.
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u/Secure-Willow-9029 31m ago
Leftist media have no morals. Especially when one of the demographics they feel owe them blind allegiance (black men) decide to go off the plantation.
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u/egaal1988 30m ago
Anything to take the spotlight off of the horrific murder of 3 children. This whole case has been despicable
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u/I-Kneel-Before-None 12h ago
incredibly immoral. Our entire system is at risk of we allow public pressure and that to control how juries vote. And it makes the defense attorney look incompetent. No idea why he's pushing this jury stuff. Bro, it's your job to figure this shit out and strike him before the trial if this is the case. Right or wrong decision, this witch hunt is wrong.