r/MoralityScaling • u/IRebic95 • 4h ago
Morality of drinking the beverage you are about to buy while waiting in the line
I keep doing this, it's very hot outside and I have to spend a lot of time in the sun or in the car that was parked in the sun prior so I'm very thirsty by the time I get the opportunity to go to a shop. The lines can be long at the cashier's desk so I just sip the drink while waiting. I don't feel ashamed as I consider it basically mine at the point already. However an old lady scolded me to day while I was waiting in this line telling me I should not be driving something I have not bought yet, saying it's very inappropriate and that I should be ashamed. Am I wrong for doing this, is this immoral?
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u/cynicalknives 4h ago
Not immoral because you are going to pay for it in a few minutes
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u/IndependentGood7665 4h ago
Finds out card machine is broken...
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u/cynicalknives 4h ago
OP has cash
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u/umphuphawe 4h ago
Store is cashless
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u/Krannich 4h ago
Then they should close the store bid the store has no means to collect the money, they should not be offering any services.
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u/MrKrabbyPatty 3h ago
That's when you try to barter
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u/a_Jedi_i_am 3h ago
What can i get for a 1st edition psa10 shadowless holographic charizard?
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u/Really-Human-trustme 3h ago
$3.50 and a handjob
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u/FlatHair8469 4h ago
If the store is cashless and the machine is broken, they’ve got bigger problems
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u/cynicalknives 4h ago
We're just adding bullshit context to paint OP a certain way. Unless OP mentions that there's a chance they may not be able to make the payment, it's silly for us to be assuming things.
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u/RogueInVogue69 4h ago
No convenience store is cashless, it wouldn't be convenient
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u/Fit-Entrepreneur8404 3h ago
Yep I worked at various gas stations for like 8 years. They all take cash, crazy right? Also even when the whole system is down we still processed cash sales by keeping a handwritten ledger and calculating change with a calculator (for the mathematically challenged, I just did the math mentally). They would never refuse cash sales.
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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 3h ago
ITS LEGAL TENDER you must accept it that’s the LAW. /s
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u/ScratchLatch 4h ago
I agree 100% and still find this behavior annoying for a reason I can’t explain.
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u/feraltraveler 3h ago
It's not a restaurant so the social norm is that you're not supposed to consume before you pay. But I've seen this being a nonissue in some cultures.
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u/ConnectBlocks 3h ago
In the same way, we eat food at restaurants before paying. Perform services before paying ( oil change on vehicles, hair cuts, trying shoes & clothes on, etc). Not wrong if it’s allowed or widely accepted.
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u/PunkPirate56364 3h ago
It's one of those things which feel wrong simply due to not being the norm.
It's like I really like walking barefoot. When people see me walking barefoot in a store or in some setting where people never walk barefoot they feel annoyed... I'm not behaving according to the norm, so it feels like I'm doing something wrong.
The only thing I am doing wrong is that I'm annoying people because they are feeling like I'm doing something wrong 😂
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u/sexypantstime 2h ago
I feel like going barefoot in a store has same vibes as wearing shoes to bed. Both are permissible. Both are weird and possibly unhygenic
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u/PunkPirate56364 2h ago
It does feel unhygienic, but my bare feet are not dirtier then bottom of my shoes.
Anyway I'm not going barefoot into stores only because it makes people feel annoyed.
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u/sexypantstime 2h ago
The whole point of the shoes is that they get dirty and your foot does not. By having bare feet act as shoes, in essence you're wearing shoes into clean places, like your home. It's by definition unhygenic, it doesn't just feel like it
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u/JuggernautHopeful212 2h ago
And you are saying to..... wear the shoes that get dirty into that clean place ...
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u/InsideHousing4965 4h ago
But you're the only one who knows that. How does the shop owner know you intend to pay for it?
If everyone was eating and drinking things around the store, how do you keep track of everyone? You can't. And thus, the norm is that you can't eat or drink things till you buy them.
On top of that, you're not the owner of that drink until you pay for it. Drinking it before the transaction is completed is theft.
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u/MashedTaterBrain 4h ago
I imagine standing in line and not going out the door is a good indication.
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u/Novel-Mission-1920 4h ago
I wouldn't say it's theft by default if you're waiting in line to pay already. Plenty of establishments allow you to consume first before paying. You can eat hundreds of dollars worth of food and drink at many restaurants and bars, and only pay afterwards.
I think as long as you pay for items before leaving the establishment, and you don't attempt to leave without paying, it's not really theft. Though, I can understand if stores want to implement policies against it.
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u/Doobiemoto 2h ago
I mean it technically IS theft.
It isn't yours. You don't own it when you decided to use it.
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u/Temporary-Force8383 4h ago
My mother has done it plenty of times for her grandson, my nephew. She’ll take a bar out to hand him in the shop and then pay for the packet of them at the till when she’s finished. Saves him fussing. He’s 2 so when he gets cranky, distraction is best.
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u/Fit-Entrepreneur8404 3h ago
Yep my kiddo picks out a "squeeze applesauce" when we are shopping and he's hungry. Helps keep him quiet and well behaved because hangry kid is no fun for anyone in the store.
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u/Randy__Callahan 4h ago
It's not theft
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u/InsideHousing4965 4h ago
It literally is in most countries of the world.
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u/Randy__Callahan 4h ago edited 3h ago
Give me some examples as you need a mens rea for theft in I think all countries.
Edited from most to all countries
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u/dminaum 4h ago
neutral? but maybe against store’s policy
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u/arcticcloud 4h ago
tapping the "morality =/= legality" sign
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u/ZinaalKriid 4h ago
would disregard for the store's written policy not carry a level of immorality? would this change if the store is a small business rather than a large chain? breaking commercial policies doesn't necessarily mean the same as breaking the law. at what point does the act of defying an owner's fair wishes all for a quick sip of something you're about to own in a few small minutes become problematic, knowing you could simply wait (unless you were medically dehydrated)?
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u/Ra1nb0wSn0wflake 3h ago
Its not immoral to do if you actually pay, but also not immoral for the store owner to enforce as a policy as theres no way for the owner to know you actually will.
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u/HextechAlternator 3h ago
I agree. You’re on private property and there’s always an expectation of respect for the property owner’s policy that precedes the law.
If you’re aware of the policy and still decide to drink what you have not paid for, it’s considered disrespect and therefore immoral, regardless of the legality.
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u/Ra1nb0wSn0wflake 3h ago
At no point did the comment say that? It being against store policy as a "but maybe" is a entirely neutral side statement.
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u/Fatpandaswag67 4h ago
Right but in this case it would be immoral to disregard their store policy
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u/Longjumping-Sweet818 4h ago
There's a difference between legality and civil arrangements. The commonly understood contract between a supermarket and its customers is that you can go in there, pick out what you want, bring it to the cashier, pay for it, and THEN it's yours. If everybody just started using stuff from the supermarket before paying, it would become a nightmare for them.
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u/Sashpeto 4h ago
I think it's situational.
Hot day long line you feeling unwell . Nothing wrong with that .
Making a habit of it is a bit wrong imho .
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u/PutridBeginning9954 3h ago
Many grocery stores have drink holders built into the cart specifically for this reason. There is no situation in which this is immoral.
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u/mclovin_ts 3h ago
My target has it but that’s because they have a Starbucks lol
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u/TrashCanSam0 3h ago
i live in chicago... those holders are for the glass of wine they sell you at the front lmao. any Chicagoans here? remember when Marianos used to have a live pianist play while you shopped? my friends and i used to literally hang at Marianos with a glass of wine in our carts shopping for like 4 things for 2 hrs lolol
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u/Sashpeto 3h ago
I don't know where you live , but this is not a thing where I live ...
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u/appthrowaway12345 3h ago
this is absolutely a thing where i live.
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u/hungryforcockk 58m ago
yes, we have this in the grocery stores as well. when i lived in a different state, there was even a grocery store that had a bar to be able to drink wine and beer at while you shop! that place was amazing
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u/Alarmed-Resolve4408 3h ago
I just used one yesterday to hold a drink I was currently drinking and would soon be paying for.
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u/Candytails 2h ago
They have them at HEB and a lil cell phone holder. Some of them have double seats for the fuckin kids too.
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u/PutridBeginning9954 3h ago
I've lived in 5 states in the US over 16 years. Everywhere had drink holders in the cart and no worker ever said anything or looked at me weird, that I know of, when I was walking around drinking or checking out with an empty bottle.
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u/MohamedMEDADO 3h ago
Ever thought there are other places than the us? You know like other countries in which this may be frowned upon?
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u/Sashpeto 3h ago
Well okay I live in Bulgaria.
USA is not the entire world you know
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u/haydenfred99 3h ago
You’ve never seen a grocery cart with a drink holder in it? I’m not trying to be rude, it’s just a really common thing where I’m from.
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u/Sashpeto 3h ago
Nope . As I said it's not a thing in Bulgaria nor any place I visited outside it .
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u/MsVindiction 2h ago
Very common in the US
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u/EnvironmentNo1966 1h ago
That’s different. America is need to be constantly drinking a soda or they die.
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u/LazyBeach2919 1h ago edited 25m ago
yeah honestly drink holder in grocery cart is maybe the most comically American thing I've heard today
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u/werewolf_hrt 3h ago
Some places where i live have em yes, but these are usually the stores with a Starbucks or something inside. I dont think ive ever seen unpaid-for drinks in a shopping cart cup holder, only personal water bottles and coffee.
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u/PanPrasatko 2h ago
Making habit out of... drinking?
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u/Sashpeto 2h ago
Making habit of consuming food you haven't paid for yet .
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u/Firemoth717 1h ago
You are going to pay for it though. What moral difference is it if it’s full or half full by the time the transaction happens?
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u/BumBimBam00 4h ago
I always ask an employee if it's ok if i drink it while waiting in line. You know, communication is great!!
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u/Accomplished-Basil25 47m ago
This is the right answer. People need to understand that at a sit down restaurant you have permission to eat. At a gas station you don’t. A: it’s not yours and you don’t have permission; don’t consume. B: It’s not yours but you have permission; consume it. C: It’s yours so you don’t need permission; so consume. D: you’re more sure so just ask.
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u/holylink718 4h ago
Moral unless and until you walk out without paying for it.
Now, the better question: the morality of being a skank-ass boomer who can't mind their own business.
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u/Few-Independence3787 4h ago
Ok if you actually buy it. Trashy if not. I've been behind the counter before and some people just so happen to suddenly forget their wallet/money at home.
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u/PenAdministrative594 1h ago
As a fellow cashier, I second this. I've had people done that and they never seen in the store again (DId not pay).
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u/minibus_rider 1h ago
Former store owner here: people would do this all the time, not usually an issue. You begin to learn the signs of people that drink it on line and come up to the register with no money and knew they didn’t have it to begin with. That in my opinion is theft
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u/Hopkinsad0384 1h ago
Imo, it's not yours until you buy it. It's presumptuous to open it beforehand.
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u/TLKimball 1h ago
Exactly. It is not your property until you buy it. Intent to purchase is not the same as ownership.
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u/Plane-Train-5753 14m ago edited 1m ago
I mean, you aren't planning on buying a rare fragment of the moon the shop may or may not sell you until an agreed upon price may or may not be reached.
You have full confidence that the store:
- Wants to sell you the item
- Will sell you the item for the agreed upon price
- And if you have the currency to facilitate the agreed upon price
Then saying it is presumptuous is a bit of a stretch imho.
At the same time, I would mostly feel too weird to do this unless I really needed a drink.
In the heat my country is in, noone would think twice about it however.
So mainly one of those internal paranoias that noone gives a shit about.
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u/Songlilly 4h ago
As a former cashier, as long as I dont have to touch where you mouth was, moral..... but if you slobber all over the thing, I'm going to make you scan it yourself. haha
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u/MaryPaku 4h ago
Can’t you just ask?
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u/New-Grapefruit1737 1h ago
eh, i tend to not get into discussions about morality with store employees
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u/wcshrtstop 4h ago
No one cares if you are buying it, don’t know why this is even a question.
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u/Thesoop85 2h ago edited 2h ago
The amount of people with elaborate takes on this is wild. This is clearly a "who the fuck cares" situation
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u/indianajoes 1h ago
The problem is what happens if the person can't buy it. Let's say they get to the till and their card doesn't work and they have no other money. Now they've just stolen something
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u/nothing_in_my_mind 4h ago
I wouldn't call it immoral, but it still feels wrong. I'd maybe call it rude?
The employee does not know that you will buy it. Maybe you are a dick and plan to stash the bottle somewhere and leave without oaying. Now the enployee eneds to keep an eye on you.
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u/Papa_Raj 2h ago
The barcode still scans even if the drink is mostly gone.
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u/protossaccount 53m ago
This, I’ve done this with other items as well and there is never an issue. Just don’t eat something that’s priced by weight and you’re good.
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u/Nathmikt 4h ago
Unethical.
Moral, provided you'll pay for it.
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u/Prized_Lemur 3h ago
why do you say unethical?
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u/Nathmikt 3h ago
The store is a private property and transfer of ownership(of the good) happens only after the money is paid.
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u/youcrumb 3h ago
Hm, opening a product you haven’t paid for. Pretty cut and dry to me, wait five more seconds and buy the damn thing.
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u/rfkbr 1h ago
This should be top comment. I’m amazed how many people are cool with consuming something they haven’t paid for yet. I find it as introducing chaos into the universe. It’s a disorderly action. It’s inconsiderate to a worker observing you do it. You’re making them wonder if you’re actually gonna pay for it.
inb4 someone brings up sit down restaurants.
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u/VanillaPeepPod 46m ago
The real answer is here. I feel most people are just responding to this like it’s an “AITA” thread and they are basing it on vibes. It is immoral and at the very least, retain associates find him annoying. Having worked retail before, the people who did this always made us feel uneasy. Sometimes we didn’t know if it was something brought from outside the store, or just even the impending potential conflict of the customer’s card declining and having to triage difficult situations. This is immoral not just for disrespecting the social order of the transaction, but also the potential burden it places on the retail associates. Why can’t he just wait 5 more minutes or maybe bring an insulated water bottle in his truck. The morality here is based on the presence of easily accessible alternatives that can both satisfy him and maintain harmony with those around him.
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u/One_Warthog256 4h ago
Immoral, what if you die while drinking it and now you can't pay?
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u/Healthy_Turnip7352 4h ago
i have a little card that I wear on my necklace at all times.
it says:
"Hello employee. If I am in a store and am now dead, and there is an opened drink that I opened to drink before paying, please take my wallet and take the price of the drink with any bill, and keep the change. Thank you friend.
Sincerely,
the Deceased"
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u/Reeformed 3h ago
My girlfriend is going to love her next anniversary present! Does it come with the necklace or will she have to buy that separately?
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u/sexystriatum 4h ago
yoy better buy it. It would not be cool if you came to the cash register and it turned out you have no way of payjng for it.
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u/Canarity 4h ago
>Zero caffeine
>Zero sugar
>Zero calories
Why not drink water atp
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u/apache_chieftain 4h ago
Flavour bro
I agree tho, the moment caffeine was taken away, this beverage lost its soul
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u/PouLS_PL 4h ago
because water doesn't have artificial sweeteners and 209 chemicals
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u/IRebic95 3h ago
Yes, the flavor, I drink water at home with a bit of squeezed fruit added for flavor, or mineral water with the squeezed fruit juice, but I can't buy such a thing while I'm out working. I don't drink coffee so drinking coke variants with caffeine in them is a lot to me as I'm not used to it
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u/Lost-Citron-1099 3h ago
Drinking before paying is the norm in restaurants and bars. So its not that crazy of a concept
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u/Anaeijon 4h ago
Moral.
(At least here in Germany) it's legal and usually not against store policy, to consume the product before you pay for it.
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u/No_Problem5759 4h ago
Moral, but being skeptical of people who do this is also moral. I've seen too many people drink a soda and then just set it down before registers.
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u/SirSeppia 4h ago
I think that usually it's very immoral with any products. You don't actually own that product until you buy it and I've been a cashier for some years and too many times the "I only have card and it doesn't work" came in. The person at the cash register doesn't know you.
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u/Accomplished-Leg6947 4h ago
I used to do this all the time with drinks and snacks. I would drink/eat it while I was grocery shopping or waiting in line and then pay for it before leaving.
My wife was absolutely appalled by this behavior so I no longer do it lol
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u/Xentonian 3h ago
Morality depends on the temperament of the shop owner.
If they don't mind, it's entirely moral.
If they do mins, it's their product until you pay for it and even if it's illogical, they're still allowed to make the demands they want to make about how people handle their goods prior to purchase.
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u/MidwestNonbinary 3h ago
If it’s hot out and you’re going to pay for it is morally neutral. My mom would do similar if her blood sugar dropped while shopping.
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u/Federal_Race_9715 3h ago
It's kind of trashy and a symptom of broken Britain but a very mild symptom so more or less fine. I wouldn't do it, and I would judge, but I have done worse so probably shouldn't
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u/EnvironmentalFix7059 2h ago
my parents would let us eat the icecream when it was hot outside but they would always keep the wrap with the barcode on it.
as an adult i wouldnt do it but if its kids that needs some hydration, i see no problem with it.
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u/Chudpaladin 2h ago
Not immoral as long as the drink has been paid for
Source: a kid who used to run to the front of the store to grab a soda when mother had low blood sugar. Never had an issue with an employee surprisingly: we always pay for it and it’s kind of silly sliding an empty coke bottle across the self checkout, but eh.
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u/NovelHot6697 4h ago
moral depending on the place. this could get the employee in trouble (it shouldn’t though).
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u/Key_Check5753 4h ago
It's fine, but you better have cash in your wallet. If you drink half of the beverage, then your credit card gets declined, you'll become immoral!
Also, if you know you're going to be parked in a car, can't you just bring a drink with you? The scenario doesn't make much sense.
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u/CurledSpiral 4h ago
If your drinking your soda in the line your stealing. It’s called grazing and it’s basically whenever you eat or drink food from
The store in the store.
Yeah, you might be in the line waiting to pay for it but nothing stops you from just sitting it down and walking out of the line.
Immoral. It’s not yours yet.
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u/rsewthefaln 3h ago
To me, you're conflating two different questions.
This one is asking if it's moral to eat it before you pay for it, but you're saying nothing is stopping you from walking out with it.
By that logic, what is the morality of walking around a store with merchandise in your basket? Nothing is stopping you from walking out with it.
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u/Objective-Limit-121 4h ago
I feel like grazing implies something that’s paid for by weight.
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u/LionNo435 4h ago
Idk where i live its not agains rules or ilegal to sip from a soda you are about to buy. Moral
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u/IndependentGood7665 4h ago
Immoral in my country that is classified as theft and criminal (doesnt matter you plan to pay)
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u/cloudit30569 4h ago
Moral. What about eating the grapes like Grandma?
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u/steezyceezyfucks 2h ago
Actually, i think what op did is fine as you pay per bottle. When you eat the grapes, you’re paying by weight so that one technically is theft
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u/TheYellowFringe 4h ago
Neutral.
No one really cares anymore in the modern context because you're about to pay for the beverage.
But historically it was seen as impulsive and rude. It wasn't about a drink. The same logic was applied for foods as well.
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u/Fem-Bunny-Boy 43m ago
As the cashier, I dont wanna touch it now that your mouth is on it. I don't want it anywhere near me
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u/IsadorCZ 4h ago
Immoral. It shows others that its ok to consume stuff in store. Someone will show up replicate it and not pay for it and then harsher store politics will emerge.
It also shows you have patience of a toddler if you can't wait a minute till you pay and you are outside.
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u/Appropriate_Formal64 4h ago
I don't do it very often, but I have done it on occasion. I just make damn sure to bring the empty bottle up to the check out line with the other stuff and pay for it.
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u/Dependent-Curve-8449 4h ago
Depends on the shop in question, I guess. I have walked around a supermarket, opened a bottle of orange juice and finished it, then pay for it at the counter. Unless something happens and you end up not paying for it in the end, I don't see anything wrong with it, but I feel this will ultimately depend on the norms in your region.
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u/GargantuanCake 4h ago
It's fine. While technically it isn't yours until you pay for it nobody really cares since you're intending to pay for it. In some places it's viewed as kind of trashy but it's a minor thing overall. It would be a problem if you didn't pay for it obviously but if you pay for it who cares?
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u/goodmanishardtofind 4h ago
Ok I kinda think this is a good question. And it’s not immoral as long as you actually pay.
If something happens while you wait in line, like a car drives through the front windows, then there’s a certain amount of time you wait to see if they still expect you to pay.
Then, before you leave, because they have to start cleaning and such, you may go “hey, I didn’t get to pay for the Pepsi before the car accident.” And then if they don’t make you pay then, you are good.
That’s an example of how a simple case could stretch into the extreme, but gives a good range of intent. If you just walk off assuming it’s alright just because of an interruption, that’s immoral.
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u/OkBasket7617 4h ago
Moral, I so this all the time shopping for groceries. It's not theft until you pass the reasonable point of sale
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u/GmGwain 4h ago
Moral if its not against store policy or not seen as big enough of an inconvenience for the actual employees there to tell you that it's bad. You are thirsty, you drink something and you pay for it. It's also not unlikely that they care more for a happy customer than for enforcing some minor rule.
Immoral of the old hag to try to find problems where there aren't any and she should mind her own business.
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u/MashedTaterBrain 4h ago
Tell the old bag to mind her business. If my glucose monitor starts beeping at me, I'm not waiting.
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u/mustbeasumsuk 4h ago
When I was a child, my parents or anyone in general didn't care about it as it was paid in the end. If it's paid in the end, there's no problem as it's yours.
However, if someone drinks something by half and puts it back then that should be immoral.
That's my opinion ofc.
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u/KainZeuxis 4h ago
Amoral. It’s really case by case. I’ve been in grocery stores that had sections near the entrance specifically for grabbing something to drink while you shop and just pay for it later when you check out.
Then I think just about everyone who’s been to a gas station will idly sip on their soda or ICEE while waiting in line to pay for it.
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u/Pretend-Literature35 4h ago edited 4h ago
who cares? If you have the money to pay for it. It also says something about society. If everyone pays for everything and we live in a trusting society there is no problem.
It only seems rude because of the expectantion of theft. You know? Like societies in which when there is a power failure all stores immediately get looted.
Meanwhile, years ago a friend from south korea told me that there if a store owner had to say go pick up his kid at school, he could leave a note stating this and a plate with some change in it and leave his store open and everyone would just pay exactly for what they bought. Today it would even easier with a tap machine.
I remember thinking that here he would get everything stolen and realized that some cultures do society way better than others
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u/whatisthisgunifound 4h ago
Amoral, you do you king. just as someone who has been the cashier in this situation please at least don't damage or remove the barcode so we can actually scan the item.
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u/usababykiller 4h ago
I don’t know if this is common anymore but when I worked at target in the late 90s customers would do this all the time. They would hand me an empty bottle or candy wrapper to scan to pay for.
I don’t know if it was a cultural thing because I feel like it was always black customers who would do this.
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u/Euphoric_Lobster_555 4h ago
The old lady should mind her own business.
You're in line to pay. It's fine.
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u/Jessup3 4h ago
I mean, as long as he’s actually going to pay for it then it should be okay