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u/ParaponeraBread 3d ago
Yes he’s lying and we have a grand history of his lies specifically about 9/11.
That said, he didn’t say he was lifted out of the rubble. He said he was carried out of some other nearby building a couple days later that was “in danger of collapsing” and “creaked a lot”.
This is also a lie, and there’s no evidence he was in the building he claims to have gone in. He also lied by increasing the number of employees he claims to have taken to ground zero to help each time he retells it. This is again, a lie.
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u/Trollbreath4242 3d ago
Not only is it clearly a lie, but all the press at the time included interviews with him, and he talked repeatedly about watching it "from the windows in my office," which was on 5th avenue. "We could see it from some of our windows."
So, in 2001 he was nowhere near it. In 2016, he was still nowhere near it. Suddenly in 2021 he was in one of the buildings and had to run out with firefighters. Now they carried him out. I guess that plays to his delusions of being a king, because only a king would be carried out of a burning building by two servants, so it must be true. /s
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u/justacheesyguy 3d ago
I like how even in his lies, he’s still a useless lump of shit that’s just in the way of people who are just trying to do their jobs. Even if his story was true, which obviously it’s not, he’s not even making any claims that he helped, he’s just openly claiming that he was wasting the time of at least 2 firefighters who had to babysit his diapered ass instead of actually being able to do the job they were there for.
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u/truckstop_superman 3d ago
Give it a day or two, he'll be posting AI images of him carrying two fire-fighters out of the World Trade Centre.
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u/ParaponeraBread 2d ago
Again, he didn’t claim to be there or carried out ON 9/11. He claimed that firefighters carried him out of a different building in the following days that he says was in danger of collapse.
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u/stuffbehindthepool 3d ago
He sees anything getting attention and mutates into an even worse version of himself accordingly
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u/TheGayestNurse_1 3d ago
He wants his equal attention cake.
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u/mashiro1496 3d ago
So Eppstein file isn't enough?
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u/SomethingComesHere 3d ago
No, that's bad man attention. He gets that all the time without trying.
He wants good man attention without doing any work.
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u/SomethingComesHere 3d ago
He's like the evil twin of Michael Scott
https://giphy.com/gifs/t2eBr71ACeDC0
He always needs the attention to be on him, and will stoop as low as possible to achieve that.
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u/justacheesyguy 3d ago
Thank you for this, I don’t know why I’ve seen several people claim that he said he was pulled from the rubble.
It’s very important that in calling out his lies we don’t further embellish his fictions. What he said was bad enough, there’s no need for anyone to lose their own credibility by trying to make what he said sound even worse.
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u/PattyRain 3d ago
Thank you. I can't stand the man, but it is important to correct things like this. The truth is bad enough.
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u/Soylentgruen 3d ago
I think Trump may be telling the truth. He cut a lot of corners with Trump Tower, so the rubble may be from his own building.
“The security and rules here at Trump Parc are ironclad — you’re not allowed to drive a nail into your wall anytime after 4 p.m.; you can’t make any noise — but the construction is shoddy. Thin walls. Plumbing is terrible. Everything was done to cut corners but to make it look really beautiful. I mean, the apartments are gorgeous. But that doesn’t mean that you’d look underneath. If you have a plumber come look at it, he’s going to say, ‘Who the hell did this? This is like spit and chewing gum.’ I said to a friend that if you sneeze in Apartment 4A, they say “God bless you” in 37C. I think the name Trump, whether it’s on the marquee or off, is completely and totally irrelevant. I’ve heard that people like his name on there. They can call it Tarantula Arms for all I care. At the end of the day, it’s a terrific apartment, and it’s a wonderful, wonderful place to live. I’ve seen people in the elevator with a real-estate agent, and they say, ‘Do you live here?’ And I say, ‘Yes. Buy now. Buy now. It will be Christmas, or Hanukkah, whichever it is, every day of your life.’ That’s one of the most descriptive things I can say: Every day is Christmas.” —Anonymous
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u/ertyertamos 3d ago
If he wants to prove that he and his employees helped out, he can just provide the invoice he billed the city. Cause you know there is no way they helped for free.
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u/bushido216 3d ago
Didn't he also claim to be in New Jersey on 9/11 watching "thousands of Muslims celebrate the attacks"?
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u/Dewgong_crying 3d ago
Yes, and the only "video evidence" is from other countries of Muslims celebrating/protesting random events.
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u/SideInitial3961 3d ago
five Israeli nationals detained in New Jersey on 9/11, an incident that later became known as the “Dancing Israelis” case.
- The men worked for Urban Moving Systems, a New Jersey moving company.
- Witnesses reported seeing several men near the New Jersey waterfront filming the burning World Trade Center and behaving in a way witnesses interpreted as celebratory, including high-fiving.
- Police circulated an alert for their white moving van. Later that afternoon, East Rutherford police stopped the van and detained all five men.
- They were Israeli, not Muslim/Arab. The five were Sivan Kurzberg, Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner, and Omer Marmari.
- The FBI investigated them extensively. They were eventually held on immigration-related grounds and deported to Israel, rather than charged with participating in the 9/11 attacks.
- Separately, there were rumors that Muslims/Arab-Americans in Jersey City or Paterson were celebrating 9/11. Those reports were investigated and largely found to be unfounded; there is no good evidence for the large-scale celebrations sometimes claimed.
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u/bushido216 3d ago
The point isn't whether or not Muslims really were dancing in the street. The point is that it's hard to be in two states at once.
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u/soilentgleem 3d ago
People saying they saw people celebrate it was fairly common from what I remember. Much more common than people actually celebrating it, at least from my memory.
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u/bushido216 3d ago
The point is that he's claiming to be in two different states at the same time.
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u/DisasterRadiant 3d ago
"Disputed?"
That's why the WP not a credible source.
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u/Xanto97 3d ago
The tweet is lying, he didn’t claim he was taken out of the rubble of 9/11. He claimed he was escorted out of an area a few days after 9/11, when he went to visit a damaged building.
It’s disputed because it’s hard to prove that something didn’t happen. It’s very likely a lie, that’s why they write it like that.
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u/512115 3d ago edited 3d ago
So much for a free and independent press. The current group of oligarchs that own almost all of our media, print or digital, have wholeheartedly thrown their hand in with the government and have formed the Vichy media, as propaganda organs of the State.
Trump lying isn’t the story here. The story is the consistent cowardice of America’s traitorous news media and their refusal to speak truth to power.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad2735 3d ago
When did the claim go from him helping clean up efforts to being pulled out of the rubble? For the record I don't believe the the original tale
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u/Raiden29o9 3d ago
I think in the last few days
Probably because Trump is a raging narcissist with an overinflated ego yet is also extremely fragile and envious of everyone around him so needs to make shit up to constantly make himself look better and for his cult to worship him over
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u/exscape 3d ago
But did Trump actually claim it, or did the claim mutate online?
It'd be surprising for someone like Trump that his lie goes from him helping and being a hero, to being a victim that was saved.
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u/bs000 3d ago
Trump said he sent construction workers from his building help the day of the attack. Then he said was in One Liberty Plaza (formerly the US Steel building) a few days after, when it was creaking, and firefighters supposedly carried him out of that building. People online changed the story to Trump claiming he was pulled from the rubble of the WTC. He's still lying, but people keep lying about his lie.
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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 3d ago
He's still lying, but people keep lying about his lie.
The past 11 years in a nutshell.
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u/DavisSqShenanigans 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yeah it's one of those bizarre but very common instances where people immediately start embellishing or (ironically) down right making shit up to complain about Trump when there are no shortage of reasons to call him out that are real and don't need to be made up. Just another meaningless distraction in a sea of meaningless distractions.
He didn't say anything remotely similar to him being pulled out of rubble. He said he was down there in the aftermath (he never even specified whether it was days or weeks later) "seeing what we can do". Most likely if he was down there it was in his capacity as a real estate tycoon, as a lot of those buildings downtown had been sold in 2001.
The US Steel Bldg he claims to have been in didn't reopen to the public until 6 weeks after 9/11. It's entirely possible that during those 6 weeks he went down there to see if he wanted to consider buying the whole thing (it ended up being purchased by Brookfield, with Blackrock later buying a 49% stake). And when he was in there, firefighters told him they're evacuating the building for safety concerns. They obviously didn't "lift him up", he's just making shit up. But him being down there a month later with a team of people evaluating if they want to make an offer to buy the building, and then being escorted out by the fire department seems entirely plausible.
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u/Xanto97 3d ago
Agreed fully. This is a weird game of telephone and the story has contorted into things that trump never even claimed or said. There’s things to criticize him about, and the story is still likely a lie - but he never said he was pulled out of the tower’s rubble lmao.
It comes from people not reading or listening to the speech, and then just believing whatever inflammatory bullshit online.
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u/Prezten 3d ago
I thought he was in undamaged Trump Tower, calling into TV news and bragging about how he has the tallest building in lower Manhattan after that.
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u/Trollbreath4242 3d ago
He was. There's tons of press from the day of, and the days following, the attack, and he repeatedly said in interviews "we could see it from my offices." Those offices on 5th avenue in Trump tower, which is nowhere near ground zero. One of his employees said "I was with him in his office that morning, and we could see it."
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u/armybrat63 3d ago
A real President would have made mention of Gander Canada … who without second thought took in 7000 stranded strangers into their homes.
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u/Harthag77 3d ago
Hard to be at ground zero when you're on an island at the time
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u/to_fire1 3d ago
Do Americans actually believe him?
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u/TBHICouldComplain 3d ago
His cult believe every lie that spews out of his mouth - except the ones they don’t want to believe and then he’s “kidding” or “trolling”. Basically he’s like the bible to them - rewritten/seriously edited on a daily basis to fit their personal narrative.
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u/Parahelix 3d ago
Most of them don't believe it either. They just don't care as long as it makes libs mad. That's basically the only thing they care about. Because they've been so oppressed, you see.
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u/Alive_Ice7937 3d ago
Because they've been so oppressed, you see.
12 Years A Not Being Allowed To Say The N Word
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u/SomethingComesHere 3d ago
Yep
My mom is like this (canadian trump supporter lolol)
I will ask: "what about xyz time he did something that directly goes against your Evangelical Christian morals?"
And she just says: "oh, no that was Obama/Trudeau, I saw a video of him saying it, not Trump. I will send you the proof" (and she never sends the proof).
She has already decided she likes him for reasons I don't understand. He regularly does things that the bible predicted the antichrist would do.
But okay, mom, keep supporting him.
We don't talk politics anymore because she does not discuss subjects in good faith and is inflexible even when presented with evidence contradicting her opinions.
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u/imjustabastard 2d ago
Don't feel bad about it, so does my dad and every other godamned maga idiot out there.
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u/The_Space_Jamke 3d ago
As you see from the thumbnail, corporate media is still sanewashing the madman who dragged us into another pointless recession and war. And 2/3 of the population either celebrate or don't have any particularly strong feelings about being shoulder-deep in the shit.
I'd press the blue button just to save myself the trouble of finding out what incredible unmitigated disaster these people will cook up for themselves next.
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u/IsabellaGalavant 3d ago
Not the ones with an above-room-temperature IQ. Or fully functioning eyes and ears. Or anyone that was alive on 9/11. (Hopefully.)
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u/DubTheeBustocles 3d ago edited 3d ago
Trump is single-handedly keeping the media’s euphemism treadmill alive.
“Trump distorts the facts.”
“Trump makes questionable claims.”
“People dispute accounts made by Trump.”
“Trump is leaning on truth-adjacent narratives.”
“Trump contradicts the available evidence.”
“Trump diverges from the established record.”
“Trump flaunts an alternative evidentiary framework.”
“Trump and the facts appear to have irreconcilable differences.”
The motherfucker is a liiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaarrrrrr.
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u/UtahUtopia 3d ago
Every single one of these news outlets that kowtows to Trump and uses words like "disputed" rather than "lies" needs to be called out now and forever.
Asshats.
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u/Nikonmansocal 3d ago
Interview with pre-POTUS Trump just after 9/11. He is surprisingly coherent and empathetic compared to the current "version" .
He also does not appear to have been pulled out from underneath rubble.
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u/ChopperChange 3d ago
Trump lies to take media focus off the worse things he's doing. What is this lie meant to distract from?
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u/Vlad3theImpaler 3d ago
He lies all the time about inconsequential things. It's not always some master plan. It's just who he is as a person.
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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 3d ago
True, plus he can just change a body of water’s name if he wants to distract from his criminality.
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u/Maeglin75 3d ago
Trump bragged in an interview on 9/11, that his building is now the tallest in downtown Manhattan.
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u/_R0Ns_ 3d ago
Trump was interviewed on the phone that day (because his building was so close) and he was bragging that his building was the tallest now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcKlPhFIE7w
He was also telling he was looking out of the window see it happen.
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u/coolbaby1978 3d ago
The closest Trump got to ground zero was to crow about now having the tallest building in Manhattan now that the WTC was gone (and was also a lie, the ESB was the tallest)
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u/Kube__420 3d ago
You'd think he would've mentioned it when he was bragging about having the tallest building in NYC
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u/Significant-Exam762 3d ago
Theres literally proof he wasnt there! He was on the phone with a radio station after the towers fell! Like within minutes to brag about his building being the tallest in New York. Same day, same hour, no sympathy for anyone but himself. No shocker there.
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u/MonsieurKnife 3d ago
I know it's a lie because if anyone in New York had found Trump in the rubbles they would have left him there.
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u/PM_YOUR_ISSUES 3d ago
Trump did not say that he was lifted out of the rubble of ground zero by firefighters.
Trump's lie was that he was at a building site near to ground zero. Was told to evacuate that location, and that, two firemen carried him out from this completely other building site to ... "safety."
It's important to get his lie right because it's somehow even more outlandish and absurd than a claim that he was at ground zero. Instead, he claims to have been carried out of a completely safe building, by firemen, several blocks away from ground zero to nowhere in-particular. Why would he even need to be carried? Where would they even carry him to? And why would the firemen even bother? Trump would be capable of walking himself, there was no rubble or anywhere where he was in his own story ... there just wasn't a need for any of it to happen at all. So, in his own story, Trump -- who could walk and was not injured -- needed to be carried to safety by firemen from a building site near-ish to ground zero but had suffered no damage. Oh! And there were several other people there with Trump inspecting that building site, but only Trump was carried away by firemen.
Nothing at the end of his story makes any sense and is obviously no true, just based on how he tells it. Unless, of course, the real story is that Trump was in an area that was told to evacuate, he refused, and was carried out by firemen against his will for his own safety while throwing a temper tantrum. That's a story I could believe, and I bet what happened.
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u/Correct_Doctor_1502 3d ago
Trump literally believes those AI articles about him are not only true, but he remembers them now
He's literally brainwashing himself
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u/Shawn_The_Sheep777 3d ago
It’s just an incredibly poor attempt at trying to insert himself into the drama of one of the most memorable and epic points in American history
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u/IrredeemableRight 3d ago
it is pretty fucking gay how he fantasizes about being rescued by big burly men and fantasizes about hugging them and having emotional breakdowns with tears
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u/TheUnluckyFarmer 3d ago
Dude can't even remember the past 25 minutes why the flying fuck would he remember anything about anything that happened in 2001?
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u/Significant-Order-92 3d ago
We even have video from an interview with him that day. Not banged up and doesn't mention being at ground zero.
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u/Cady-Jassar 3d ago
That is not true... the truth is that he was the leading first responder during the event... he risked his life saving others and died after saving 40 kids and their bets.
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u/Sentar_trenzz 3d ago
as long as the media in general don't call him out and say what he says are lies etc.... all of this that's happening won't go away... ever...
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u/TwpMun 3d ago
He's tantamount to being the Western version of Kim Jong il who claimed he had 11 hole in ones in his first ever game of golf and on a championship course.
A few days before he was claiming he was assisting in the recovery efforts. America literally has a mad King running the country.
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u/mulligrubs 3d ago
It's difficult to overstate just how full of shit these people are. Not just the ones spreading the lies but those who repeat them and/or never question them.
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u/hopetothefuture 3d ago
If the first part of his story were true it would be him going down to find out how to purchase the property to build on. Everyone can belive him standing at ground zero saying, "I bet I could get this for pennies now."
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u/ConfessorKahlan 3d ago
this is why this shit is so fucking normalized. the media keeps using softer language. Just call him what he has been for over a decade.
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u/--slurpy-- 3d ago
Of course he would award someone who's not alive to refute his claim. This guy literally can not stop himself from lying every time he opens his mouth.
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u/thekidubullied 3d ago
He was in an office far from the site and even spoke to reporters on the phone and told them that he now had the tallest building in nyc. Absolute scum bag shit.
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u/ancapailldorcha 3d ago
Remember when journalists would actually check things like this instead of just repeating it with weasel language like "disputed"?
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u/Formally_Apologetic 3d ago
The only time he isn't lying is those few seconds when he shoves another bite of Big Mac in his mouth. Probably even lies in his sleep.
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u/RelaxPrime 3d ago
That and if it had happened Trump wouldn't have shut the fuck up about it for the last 25 years.
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u/brianishere2 3d ago
To be clear, Trump has repeatedly claimed he watched the attacks from his office. He added many other lies, from day 1. But, this lie is a new one.
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u/Haywoodjablowme1029 3d ago
This motherfucker shames the memory of every first responder who died that day. Fuck this fucking pig. I will piss on his grave.
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u/JinkyRain 3d ago
Chronic "liar liar pants in fire" is the only thing firefighters could help him with, and they haven't been able to douse that endless dumpster due yet.
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u/Brokenclock76 3d ago
This is about 10x worse than what Brian Williams did and he stepped down from the nightly news over what he said.
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u/orangeflyingmonkey_ 3d ago
I am in a dispute with my bank. I say I have a million dollars and they say no.
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u/Nbdyhere 3d ago
Easiest way to determine it was a lie, if he was actually there, no one would have rescued him
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u/Linnie46 3d ago
Also, why would he only start telling this story 25 years later? If there’d been a single grain of truth to it, he’d have been telling it every 9/11. The fact is, he was on the phone with some radio station crowing about how he now had the tallest building in NYC.
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u/Doug_101 3d ago
There is no bottom with this guy. His propensity for lying is breathtaking, and not in the good way.
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u/ordosays 3d ago
So, stolen valor? Stolen empathy? Stolen sanctity? What did the kleptophile acquire now?
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u/RespectWest7116 3d ago
Actually, Trump was on the plane, fistfighting the terrorist to stop them from hitting the buildings.
At the last second they distracted him with photos of nude minors. Very cowardly move.
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u/InflnityBlack 3d ago
Trump lies on average every single sentence, you can assume anything he says is false and you would be mostly right
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u/Can-I-remember 3d ago
It’s in the soon to be released movie, Forrest Trump.
Apparently the movie shows that he was also was there when they captured the Venezuelan President and won the US Open Seniors Golf championship at 80. In a surprise twist he wasn’t at Epstein Island at all, according to the movie.
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u/masterfulnoname 3d ago
Journalism in the US is truly dead if it won't push back on what is one of the most obvious lies he has ever made. It would be one of his grossest lies if he weren't also a rapist of both women and children.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 3d ago
"Russell's claim of tiny orbiting teapot in dispute!"
Trump's Rubble is the new Russell's Teapot.
Remember,
Washington Post was bought by Jeff Bezos and has been severely undermined ever since.
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u/Patanned 3d ago edited 2d ago
good on op for highlighting news media outlets failure to call out rw lies for what they are.
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u/Pletcher87 3d ago
A sitting president tells an obvious and blatant lie on national tv and our reaction is a sarcastic snicker and the thought ‘what an arshole’ and it’s done. And this is daily.
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u/dgrant99 3d ago
He is definitely attempting to insert himself where he doesn’t belong. But, he never said he was lifted from the rubble or even at ground zero on 911. He said he was in or nearby another building that they thought was gonna go so they dragged him out of there. There would have 100% been an account of that at that time. No matter what he is now, trump was a pretty popular figure back then. Anyone that says otherwise is being a revisionist.
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u/D77889900 3d ago
It's either 1) a lie, 2) the dementia, or 3) both. Let's just speak plainly about this.
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u/Snozzberriez 2d ago
He would have been spouting this multiple times a year for his lifetime if it were true. Why wait until now to say it?
Because he is a garbage human being who is manipulating his dumb as rocks base.
The real travesty is American apathy though.
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u/daneelthesane 2d ago
I'm waiting for Trump to say 9-11 is fake news because he punched the planes out of the sky.
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u/Writerhaha 2d ago
Guys, just to put my own disputed reports out there, I beat Michael Phelps and Usain Bolt for gold medals in Beijing.
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u/tycho-42 2d ago
AND, he's on record at the time of 9/11 saying that he will now have the tallest building in New York.
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u/Odd-Perception7812 2d ago
How is everyone surprised by this? He has been doing this the whole time! You elected this dipshit! Admit you fucked up, and get rid of him.
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u/Terrible_Phase718 2d ago
There are plenty of photos of Hillary Clinton there. Haven’t seen one of trump.
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u/Wuz-it-u2 2d ago
Hey, I was one of the fireman that picked Trump up and he felt just like a mannequin....
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u/Katydid829 2d ago
And he would have made sure he was on camera even if he had to bring a photographer with him.
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u/Thecardinal74 2d ago
1) He isn't claiming to have been lifted out of the rubble by firefighters. HE is claiming that he was down by Ground Zero the day after, was in a nearby building, and there were fears that building was going to collapse, so after a few creaks he's saying the firemen grabbed him and carried him away.
TRUTH: There WAS very real fears at the time that the structures around the WTC were unstable due to damage (fears that were found to be unfounded after structural analysis, but that didn't stop the fear at the time)
TRUTH: Horns would blow and people would panic and scramble out out of fear
TRUTH: The First Financial building was one of those buildings, although he referred to it by an older name.
2) HE IS STILL LYING. He was not there there Sept 12. He was in the area a few days after, not that close, he was never evacuated, he was never caught up in those waves of panic. He was, at his closest, near enough to give morale boosting high-fives to firemen and other first responders who were reporting to duty that day.
But on 9-11? 5 miles away, midtown, where Trump Tower was under construction, on the phone telling people that it looks like his building was now one of the tallest in the city.
Everything everyone in this thread about him is correct, I just wanted to clarify what he was claiming. IF we are going to shit on him, we should be shitting on him for what he really said, not a misrepresentation of what he said, as that delegitimizes the criticism and makes it easier for others to dismiss as "made up outrage"
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u/bene_gesserit_mitch 2d ago
Did he do the leap like in Dirty Dancing, where he's Jennifer Grey and the fireman is Swayze? Pretty sure I remember that.
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u/notaedivad 3d ago
What?
A narcissist lied to make themselves look better than reality!?
Surely not!