r/PoursTea • u/McDowdy Oh the Human-a-TEA • Aug 12 '26
šļøRIP šļø More people died from DOGE's USAID cuts than all combat deaths in all American wars combined
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Gawande, Atul. "The Human Cost of DOGE's War on U.S.A.I.D." Interview by David Remnick. The New Yorker, 12 June 2026.
Daniel, Ari, David Augustine, Kazeem Olawale Nasiru, and Lameck Nyagudi. "Trump's Team Says 'No Children' Died from USAID Cuts. Consider These 3 Cases." NPR, 17 July 2026.
- Emanuel, Gabrielle, and Jonathan Lambert. "Marco Rubio Said No One Has Died Due to U.S. Aid Cuts. This Mom Disagrees." NPR, 28 May 2025.
- Kristof, Nicholas. "Really, Secretary Rubio? I'm Lying About the Kids Dying Under Trump?" The New York Times, 31 May 2025.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/31/opinion/rubio-usaid-africa.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
- Kristof, Nicholas. "Musk Said No One Has Died Since Aid Was Cut. That Isn't True." The New York Times, 15 Mar. 2025.
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u/countrymac77 Aug 12 '26
The arguments against this post are crazy. The goodwill created by usaid was immeasurable but more importantly it helped people around the world. This is not a liberal vs maga much like everything else that is only used to divide Americans. Wake up and realize that people who cut oversight, foreign and domestic aid do it for one reason and itās not to your benefit.
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u/HotPersonality8126 Aug 13 '26
Ā The goodwill created by usaid was immeasurable
If you canāt measure it you canāt really argue we were getting it. The largest USAID recipients were also holding protests at our embassies that killed Americans.
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u/greennurse61 24d ago
Huh? Those are the people we need to help the most to change their minds. The pallets of cash Obama sent to Iran improved their view of us. It was simple. Write a check and they hate us less.Ā
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u/Monterenbas Aug 13 '26
Any Ā«Ā good willĀ Ā» that the US might have gain with those tens of billions spent in USAID was canceled by their support to Israe, wich is what people truly care about apparently.
If people were truly grateful to the US, they did a pretty bad job at showing it.
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u/Jalapenoplanter 29d ago
What gratitude would you have liked to see?
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u/Monterenbas 28d ago
The kind your supposed to show, if you believe that USAID was genuily life saving. Wich obviously wasnāt the case, so all good.
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u/Jalapenoplanter 28d ago
What does that look like as directed at you?
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u/Monterenbas 28d ago
Not siding with the US adversary on UN votes , for example.
Wich, while perfectely legitimate in itself, Iām sure you can appreciate how that would clash with the stated goal of getting financial aid from the US.
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u/Efrath Aug 13 '26 edited Aug 13 '26
The "predictions" that the articles are based on papers that are heavily correlations, and worked from the assumption that everything went through and also ignored any changes and adaptations that would happen with changes
This is without going into the fact that USAID is not even the only organ handling foreign aid, plenty is handled by other agencies, and plenty has not actually passed the floor since DOGE was in an advisory role and politicians still need to actually vote through it. Things were dismantled, but generally plenty of things they wanted required going through voting
You know what actually caused loss of goodwill? Propaganda posts like the OP that are spreading said papers that did the aforementioned non-scientic papers that exaggerated and chose to not even do the methodology correctly, along with the news media that reported it without even trying to critique it.
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u/Terrible-Actuary-762 29d ago
Quite a few of those programs were slush funds for democrats. Others didn't help any one in the long term, it only created dependents. Feed a man a fish vs teach a man to fish.
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u/Denim_Diva1969 Aug 12 '26
He has a trans daughter, Vivian. And heās disowned her. So, not sure if heād ever careā¦.
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u/omniverso Aug 12 '26
Im depressed enough as it is but this made me wonder just how many COVID deaths can be directly attributed to Trumps misinformation campaigns that have circled back to hypocrisy and pointing blame at Fauci.
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u/Top-Strength-2701 Aug 13 '26
The deaths Trump has caused most be closer to millions now.
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u/Agitated_Newt_7655 28d ago
Itās best measured in the per capita death rate difference across Republican states compared to Democrat areas. Itās not ideal as cities were more likely to have the virus spread and rural areas were less likely to have access to a hospital. Still rural areas died more per capita.
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u/captdeath12 Aug 12 '26
Musk can rot in hell. But I cannot afford a home or health insurance here I don't care what happens elsewhere.
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u/muffledvoice Aug 13 '26
Theyāre counting on people not caring since they donāt know those who died personally.
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u/Patient-Fruit-2946 Aug 13 '26
You could image that US wants to get rid of all people in need for food, shelter or health care.
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u/PositiveRainCloud Aug 12 '26
Elon is an immigrant, who came to the US ILLEGALLY btw. Yet MAGA think he's the best thing since sliced bread. Disgusting.
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u/Onsideginger68 Aug 13 '26
Who told you he came illegally?
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u/Lejandario_IN Aug 13 '26
Kimal Musk, his brother. Didn't come illegally but were working illegally.
That is still the same situation immigrants face and are carted off by ICE
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u/1B75__Penicillin Aug 13 '26
USAID has proven links to the CIA, it's a way to keep these countries poor and under control. If the US and Americans cared, they would help these countries MAKE their own medicines. It would be safer and help infinitely more lives, the US would BUILD a medicine factory in these countries if they cared. They WOULD TRAIN DOCTOR'S if they cared, they WOULD PURIFY WATER AND HELP WITH SANITATION if they cared
But helping people become self sufficient isn't profitable or gives the US any power, and thus in not their interests.
No send food and medicine for all eternity so those countries never develop their own industrial base, why would they? The US feeds and clothes them after all.
And the US loves that.
And I say this as someone from a poor country. There is a reason Africa is turning towards China, the Chinese don't come with pamphlet or free food, they come with bridges and factories
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u/mandrogd53 Aug 13 '26
In typical NGO fashion, the numbers here are wildly inflated. I worked in international development for ten years.
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u/HotPersonality8126 Aug 13 '26
Sure, if you count people projected to die in the future (I donāt.)
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u/Efrath Aug 13 '26 edited Aug 13 '26
First, Elon and the others were in an ADVISORY ROLE, they made no decisions
Second, most of the suggestions didn't even happen because they didn't get voted through.
Third, USAID is not alone in handling foreign aid, and depending on how useful or not it is, it can be changed and transferred to other agencies. Which has been happening.
Fourth, anyone can make up numbers. Much of the "papers" are extremely correlational and the "data" didn't even use the REAL changes for their predictions, they just blindly assumed everything would be removed while also ignoring changes and adaptations that generally happens when government changes in structure and funding happen.
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u/Borkdadork Aug 13 '26
Why would we pay to save someone from a different country, when we have people dying in our own country? Donāt get me wrong, we should save everyone from dying. Whats the cost to prevent every person from dying? Another thought, why spend money on one of the kids outlined in the video, when there is a million kids behind him or her? At what point is enough?
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u/nieze-veger 29d ago
I used to be more in favour of foreign aid. In 2024 it was 85 billion. 85B : 175m workers is 500 bucks a year. Got to much to repair at home. Same goes for militairy spending etc. Times are changing.
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u/Individual_Box_728 29d ago
Shouldnāt have waisted so much. Why should we pay for it?
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u/That_Phony_King 25d ago
How much of the US budget do you think was allocated to USAID exactly? I'll tell you: less than 1%.
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u/Significant-Eye3720 29d ago
USAID was funding terrorists and warlords. Very little of the cash flowing through USAID actually got to anyone who needed help.
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u/Additional_Mud_1463 29d ago
If it costs 12 cents per day, why can't Sudan pay for the medicine? This is such low IQ ragebait. If it's so cheap that it costs almost nothing, why must the USA pay for it? If it's nothing, why doesn't their own country pay?
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u/sjolundtorbjorn 29d ago
I do not want my tax money to be going towards any other person of any other country. We have enough people here in this country that need our financial help we should not be helping other countries at all PERIOD
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u/ResponsibleClock9289 29d ago
This is such a stupid way to attribute deaths
So not funding something means youāre responsible for the deaths? Guess every Redditor here is just as responsible
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u/ragubearr 29d ago
Much of this relies on bad statistical data about "millions" dying, an example is the NPR and new yorker articles relying on that dubious study by the lanclet and other studies which are not that rigorous either.
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u/Alarming_Local_315 29d ago
So how many matter to you?
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u/ragubearr 28d ago
They all do, and I feel terrible about anyone suffering. However the data relied on to make these massive claims are false and misleading. The moral seriousness of children's deaths are not calls to lower our evidential burden, we need accurate and reliable data so we can determine what to do next.
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u/Disastrous-Twist8461 29d ago
Our own country needs help. The foreign ones should come second to us.
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u/Ill-Dependent2976 29d ago
Same with Trump's Covid that he intentionally spread with his superspreader rallies.
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u/TooBusySaltMining 29d ago
If Uncle Sam was a person filingĀ taxes how many countries could he claim as dependents?
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u/QuestionablePersonx 29d ago
USAID cut, Democrat Party ran out of money to operate so they had to put up its HQ in DC as collateral. Coincidence??
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u/Mercer34 29d ago
Womp womp I could not care less about a bunch of leeches dying when we can't even take care of our own people.
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u/moozootookoo 29d ago
They didnāt die because of USA, they just werenāt helped, big difference.
For the record I liked when we helped less fortunate people around the world.
Letās hope other countries step it up.
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u/Popular_Tie4688 29d ago
We lost over a million grandpa's, Memaw's uncles and aunts to covid and most of america was pissed it missed a few haircuts. I think you are taking the wrong tack.
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u/Ok-Present-8619 29d ago
Theres a thin line between zero feelings and public rage.
I think it was like "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic"
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u/lonelydadtravels 29d ago
*CORRECTION:
Aid cuts didn't kill anyone, living in a system run by profits did.
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u/Jerry-SLG 29d ago
Guys it's imperative that the country drowning in trillions of debt spend gorillions on people on the otherside of the globe.
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u/justforlaughs999 29d ago
Why are we paying for medicines in other countries??? Charity begins at home
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u/snakesandsparklers40 29d ago
If its only 12 cents a day then pay for it. $43 a year step up fool. Also world's richest country that would be China. I never understood why people like this expect America to foot the bill for every country. Why should America almost fully fund the WHO. Some would say its not America's fault they died how about the other countries that didnt step up and pay more when America cut funding. You're saying nothing beneficial. Sitting there like a smug moron
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u/Sad-Wonder6273 29d ago
The gravest cruelty is when your own Country does not help you out, because the resources are being depleted all around the world. And so, the shithole Countries that are not helping their own Citizens cannot be excused just because someone else has the money to solve the problems they don't care to deal with. What about forcing all Countries of the world to stop wasting money in bullshit crap and helping their own Peoples?
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u/Large-Shake6556 29d ago
If the government has enough money to send overseas they are taxing us too much we are not everyone's sugardaddy
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u/Outrageous-Essay2183 29d ago
Dude. Why is it the responsibility of the United States tax payer. We have so many problems here at home in every city and community. Itās our job to fix our country. Itās their job to fix theirs. We canāt be a charity bank for the entire world.
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u/Expensive-Gene-8242 28d ago
I donāt get it .. why not their country support them ? Why does American tax dollars need to pay for anotherās shit? Do we have a lot of money to pay for others when we have much need ?Ā
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u/Fit-Click3323 28d ago
How many people have died directly due to the use of your phone, computer, microphone, glasses, shirt, your lights etc... tell me...
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u/RickyBobbyPitCrew 28d ago
Kind of speaks volumes about how weak and dependent those people are. What would Darwin think about those people who canāt take care of themselves?
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u/Longjumping-Total-92 28d ago
Looks like you Democrats are still salty about your money laundering ring going bye-bye LOL
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u/Unhappy-Exchange-771 28d ago
So US is responsible for other countries citizens ? Stop shedding these crocodiles tears for views or to make yourselves feel like youāve done a days of honest work.
You want to complain about govt waste in other sectors Iāll be right there with you, but in that same thread our money should be going to help American people only; not handouts to other countries.
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u/Over-Reputation4652 28d ago
why are American tax payers paying for the healthcare of inferior civilizations that serve no purpose to us when we have millions of homeless drug addicts?
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u/ShaolinWombat 28d ago
I donāt see the source for the 700k death claim in the source list. Is it something beyond the Lancet study?
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u/leeretarmy 28d ago
We are how many trillions of dollars in debt. We should take care of our own before trying to save the world.
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u/Important-Estate-904 27d ago
I wasnāt aware America was obligated to keep propagating the population of Africa.
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u/duffleberry 27d ago edited 27d ago
US taxpayers have given over 130 billion dollars to Africa.
Sub-saharan Africa received about a third of our aid and the extreme poverty rate is still approaching 50%. I think the abhorrent results speak for themselves.
I also think your average American scratches their head at the obscene amount of aid we give out to other nations and wonders why they're expected to subsidize the rest of the world, including countries whom US citizens have practically no allegiance to or affiliation with.
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u/butt-in-ski 27d ago
Most ppl have fallen into apathy or strict āAmerica firstā position (which I donāt entirely disagree with) BUT USAID is what is referred to as soft diplomacy - programs like this keep us & the world safer.
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u/Fendyyyyyy 27d ago
I'll be honest in theory the usa paying for another country is nice bit its not an obligation of any kind. However those cuts didnt do shit aside from Killing those people. Thats insanely wrong.
However it does speak volume about the people making those decisions.. but we already know..
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u/Desperate_World_2801 27d ago
I don't know who's dumber:
- American conservatives who think USAID is just spending money for no reason
- American liberals who think USAID exists just to selflessly help people in need
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u/softwareidentity 27d ago
so, if you want to kill brown people, it's actually cheaper to cut USAid than funding israel?
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u/chenoaseaboy 27d ago
Yes, Dump's regime committed a holocaust. Why? The U.N. determined that the Epstein investigations reveal a worldwide criminal network. They also reveal that Epstein was into witchcraft. Many witches believe that they gain power by sacrificing people to demons. Put two and two together.
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u/coffeefucker44 27d ago
Oh no, everyone suckling off the American tit, why donāt you try and contribute something as a government instead of asking for handouts from the greatest country on earth?
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u/Original_Bison 27d ago
USaid was nothing but a slush funds for democrats to splurge on their campaigns. Prove anything different. Facts please msm follower.
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u/ThatOneAttorney 27d ago
The same people that call themselves anti-war are in favor of the US/CIA funneling money to topple governments, start civil wars, etc. I assure you, the NGO money isnt all for buying diapers.
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u/Better_Albatross2304 27d ago
Itās not our job to take care of them. And no one cares. None of these country would do the same for us. You arenāt making us feel bad and we wonāt be baited into being altruistic
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u/Former_Mobile3101 27d ago
Well maybe they should have thought about all this before they chose to be born poor.
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u/Objective-Permit-712 27d ago
Exactly what Dumb Don and Elon wanted to happen.......but you can't have an abortion!!!!!!
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u/rwilkinson1970 27d ago
Just one life? Why arenāt you complaining about the lives that Fauci cost?
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u/Low-Sand1557 26d ago
Over 400k people died of fentanyl in past 10 years , your not talking about that because you dont care ....
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u/Low-Sand1557 26d ago
Over 400k people died of fentanyl in past 10 years in the usa 3 of them was my ant uncle and cuzin, your not talking about that because you dont care ....
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u/Low-Sand1557 26d ago
Take care of there own people, it's not our responsibility...take that 12 cent and send it to Kensington Philadelphia
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u/Truthteller-41 26d ago
You would not know the truth even if it was right in front of you. We are not the worldās rich uncle
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u/Glum-Consequence-347 26d ago
Nobody actually cares. This fake reddit landbeast outrage doesn't survive one step... not a single step... outside the landbeast's parent's basement.
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u/Nedbrown06 26d ago
No Iām the US. The rest of the world we can only help but they have to help themselves. The US needs more funds for Americans and not support nor defend militarily. They have to steps up!
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u/Nedbrown06 26d ago
Oh missed this guy is from the New Yorker. That creditability went the way of look magazine decades ago
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u/Ok_Dragonfly552 25d ago
The sad part is you people believe other countries actually seen the money that was cut from USAID.
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u/Any_Breakfast_4233 25d ago
This is another leftwing lie, number one, the staff for USAID was way to big, a lot of them admitted going to work and sat around. Number two, 90 % of the money was not going to the purchasing of food, it was going into the pockets of beurocrats, it was a slush fund for the democratic party. Read into it before jumping to conclustions!!!
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u/Responsible-Pea-1289 25d ago
People that disagree do so because their cult told them to do so. They donāt have opinions unless given to them.
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u/greennurse61 24d ago
NBC set up by 20 30/400,000,000 people will die. People are literally dying in the streets but notice the white people don't be caring. I've never heard one white person complain about USA being destroyed. Not one. It's the African-Americans in the US that are standing up to Trump. We are standing up to him. We are standing up so hard. We will shake the very foundations of the White House and the missing East Wing. Destroying the East wing was morally wrong because he was told not to do it. The head of the committee Corey Booker said he had clear communication with the president, but the president intentionally destroyed it because a black man told him what to do. He destroyed part of the lighthouse because a black man said don't destroy it.Ā
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u/DerpUrself69 Aug 12 '26
Put Elon in fucking prison immediately.
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u/DrunkOnListerineOnly Aug 12 '26
For what?
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u/keoie Aug 13 '26
Voter fraud and manipulation just to start.
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u/DrunkOnListerineOnly Aug 13 '26
So people skewing the elections in California should be in the cell next to Elon, right?
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u/keoie Aug 13 '26
If there is actual evidence then yes.
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u/thebige91 28d ago
Like paying homeless people for their mail in ballots in CA? Or registering thousands of illegal immigrants to vote like in NJ?
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u/realfakemormon Aug 12 '26
Damn so the US saved more lives than every life we took during our useless forever wars?
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u/Obiwan_ca_blowme Aug 12 '26
Then by this rationale more people were saved by the US aid than lives lost from the US agression. I guess that puts us in the net positive.
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u/Psykick379 Aug 12 '26
No it's US lives (mostly military) lost due to US aggression, not total number of lives lost to US aggression.
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u/Parking-Sundae-6097 Aug 12 '26
Elon Musk is scum. He should see consequences for his actions.