🤔

[u/Veshaad]

[u/Hiro500]

I believe the Supreme Court giving Corporations the rights as 'individuals', free speech, was absolutely horrible.

[u/dingleberryDessert → u/Hiro500]

Biggest, most rippling negative affect on our society in modern times

[u/Hiro500 → u/dingleberryDessert]

I was thinking, Why can a billion dollar corporation have a 'single' voice that can be used in an unlimited capacity.

[u/scrume71 → u/Hiro500]

And theoretically never die, so never lose its voice. Also, though it’s a “person” it can’t be incarcerated for its crimes (and likely would barely pay a fine, if any, for a crime of which they commit many).

[u/Gullible-Respond6323 → u/scrume71]

Corporations are people and they cannot do community service, they can't serve time, but they can be executed. Ergo all crimal convictions against a Corporation should result in public execution. They have no posterity so any assist should be distributed first to victims, then creditors and then the public.

[u/SpezDemandsUsernames → u/dingleberryDessert]

Honestly, I think the 1984 election of Ronald Reagan has had bigger ripple effects, but the Citizens United decision will go down as another massive catalyst for rancorous bullshit in decades to come. Or a massive and needed correction, who knows.

[u/SpockShotFirst → u/SpezDemandsUsernames]

1978's First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti was the tipping point. Prior to that 5-4 decision, 30 different states had laws restricting for-profit corporations from engaging in political speech. Bellotti essentially overturned all of those laws. There was a straight line from letting corporations engage in political speech to Citizens United.

Also, not-so fun fact: the first time "corporate personhood" showed up was in an 1886 case that no Supreme Court Justice agreed with. The "Reporter of Decisions" (at the time, a former president of a railroad company) wrote up a "headnote" that, instead of summarizing the Court's decision, just declared that corporations are people. Later Courts incorrectly cited the headnote as authority.

[u/PopBulky7023 → u/SpockShotFirst]

We honestly should have just arrested those judges on bribery charges.

[u/LotsoPasta → u/Hiro500]

There's hope! https://indivisiblehawaii.org/resources/act-11/

US law has been clear that corporations are "artificial entities" created under state law. They only have the powers that states grant them.

In plain language: from July 2027 onwards, corporations in Hawaiʻi no longer have the legal power to spend money on elections or political campaigns. The state has removed that power from the corporate charter.

Essentially, Citzens United established that right to speech cannot be taken from corporations. However, this new state law, using state powers, establishes that states do not need to grant corporations the right to political speech to begin with.

[u/Famous-Trouble-9829 → u/LotsoPasta]

Let's see how quick the "states' rights" crowd tries to bash this.

[u/Top-Cupcake4775 → u/Hiro500]

the ink was barely dry on the 14th Amendment when these vermin started trying to apply it to corporations.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/history-corporate-personhood

[u/Vegetable-Zone1353 → u/Hiro500]

For-profit corporations now have religions too, evidently.

[u/MooseEmergency2317 → u/Hiro500]

It was such a Republican thing to do.

[u/Strict_Weather9063 → u/Hiro500]

Yeah the court can’t actually do that yes I know they have attempted it, Montana of all places is about to kick corporations in the balls and strip them of rights.

[u/Weddert66 → u/Hiro500]

Also permanent.

[u/TR_Pix → u/Hiro500]

I'll believe corporations are people the day the police executes one of them

[u/Fearless_290 → u/Hiro500]

The reason we are in this hell hole

[u/Luci-Noir → u/Hiro500]

What a unique perspective.

[u/mclumber1 → u/Hiro500]

Ultimately, a corporation is a grouping of people, speaking as a whole. If we are going to remove their ability to have speech, then the same has to do with other groups, such as unions, non-profits, and clubs.

[u/PopBulky7023 → u/Hiro500]

We had laws against bribing government officials. Then they discovered they could just bribe judges to rule bribery legal and we wouldn't treat it as a crime.

So here we are.

[u/Alert_Reindeer_6574 → u/Hiro500]

It was probably the single most damaging decision in the history of the SCROTUM, er, SCOTUS.

[u/XXXcrimsongrave → u/Hiro500]

Those we're just leadins to their greatest hit. "Presidential Immunity" effectively ending democracy in the U.S. this was soon after they passed a bill allowing bribery to supreme court judges. Ooof If only more politicians had the integrity of Buddy Dwyer. L

[u/Longjumping_Music320 → u/Hiro500]

Do you know why and how citizens united came about?

[u/badoughnut → u/Hiro500]

This is a debate at the heart of american policy debate that has existed since our inception

Alexander Hamilton (who went on to make the roots of Bank of America) and Ben Franklin were in fervent disagreement on how much rights corporations specifically would get in the new country of america, so much so that Franklin almost refused to sign the constitution and came close to fisticuffs with Hamilton over what Franklin deemed blatant corruption. Jefferson also was indeed in the camp of Franklin. Some of those founding father guys really were trying to look out for that side of politics.

Alexander Hamilton eventually lobbied for a centralized designated state bank to exist within the country years after and won, formallt changing the "persons v personage" distinction that allowed for corporations to have their own civil rights movement with the country. Insane history honestly.

America was founded essentially by a need for corporate freedom away from the british empire that was RUNNING off of the east india trading company which they used to pull off imerial war fronts in the east, and everything the british did to stifle the colonies own pursuit of organizing at a corporate level, we rebelled. In other words, america is interesting in the sense of our roots being built off of corporations. There never was a corporate take over, just the final evolution of a system ultimately funded and ran by corporations over humans

[u/Funny_Penguin6343 → u/Hiro500]

I would like to point out that the Supreme Court didn't technically give corporations rights as individuals, they said that the constitution gives corporations rights as individuals. Their ruling isn't supposed to be based off of what they think the constitution should say, but what they think it does say. 

[u/Organic-Spread-8494 → u/Hiro500]

If you don’t think the ACLU or NAACP should be allowed to release any political messages then sure

[u/MustContinueWork → u/Hiro500]

"The day Texas executes a corporation's board members I'll believe corporations are people"

[u/m0st1yh4rmless → u/Hiro500]

Citizens United has single handedly changed our country for the worse more than anything in my lifetime

[u/Solid_Signature_7447]

Hell yes we can

[u/flyinhighaskmeY → u/Solid_Signature_7447]

Right? And while we're at it maybe we could pass an amendment to legalize abortion at the nation level instead of violating the rights of all the States and their citizens by calling a court ruling "a right".

Women + Liberal men are 75% of the vote. Pretty sure that should be enough peeps to get it done.

[u/Solid_Signature_7447 → u/flyinhighaskmeY]

Do the same with guns. You’ll get 85%

[u/mOdQuArK → u/Solid_Signature_7447]

Don't even need a Constitutional Amendment: all of the laws which define the existence of corporations are all statutory, meaning that legislators can modify them without requiring any Constitutional Amendments.

Could modify those laws so that if corporations do anything that isn't on a very small list, then their charter gets automatically revoked. Add a poison pill to the entire set of the laws so that if the SCOTUS tries to finesse what gets a corporation revoked, than the actual legal justification for all corporations to exist at ALL gets revoked, then let them decide whether they want to destroy modern society or not.

Just need a large enough quorum of legislators who have been made extremely aware that there are enough pissed off voters that the difference between their continued career & being tarred-and-feathered depends on them ignoring the extremely large piles of cash from special interests arriving in their offices.

[u/Vennomite → u/mOdQuArK]

Its less allowing corporations to do things as an individual, that's their point, it's more not giving them all the same protections. 1st amendment being one 

[u/Laura9624 → u/Solid_Signature_7447]

With supermajorities, sure. People better vote better.

[u/BlushMoonFawn → u/Solid_Signature_7447]

All hands on deck 👏

[u/ELB2001 → u/Solid_Signature_7447]

And on both sides way to many politicians are bought and paid for

[u/Top-Cupcake4775]

an amendment must be proposed by either a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. considering that over 90% of the members of both of those bodies owe their seat to corporate campaign contributions, i would say that a snowball stood a better chance of surviving hell than we have of amending the constitution in this way.

winners never change the rules of the game they are winning and, by definition, our elected officials have won the game of "how to get elected by pimping yourself out to corporate donors".

[u/NaughtyGaymer → u/Top-Cupcake4775]

winners never change the rules of the game they are winning

Sounds like it's time for the people to exercise their true power and flip the game board over and start again.

[u/drkato33 → u/Top-Cupcake4775]

The sad truth I am afraid.

[u/Valash83 → u/Top-Cupcake4775]

Even if Congress proposed an Amendment it would still have to be ratified by 3/4 of the States.

The States could also hold a Constitutional Convention and change the Constitution without input from the federal government. But that route is less likely than Congress agreeing on a change.

Basically, for the foreseeable future, the Constitution might as well be written in stone with no way to change it.

[u/WolfPAC_GMoney → u/Valash83]

The THREAT of an Article V convention is still enough to pressure Congress to act. It happened on the path to the 17th Amendment: nearly 2/3rds of the states and Congress finally proposed the amendment themselves.

[u/KCMOJones → u/Top-Cupcake4775]

Welp, guess we should all just stop trying then.

I think we're all pretty sick of the defeatist attitudes by now, That helpless, 'we can't change anything' mindset is exactly how we got here in the first place. The least you can do is keep the pessimism to yourself because it's not doing anything to move anything forward. Pete is trying to inspire while you're trying to demotivate people by making an argument for doing nothing.

[u/TR_Pix → u/Top-Cupcake4775]

winners never change the rules of the game they are winning

They do though 

They remove the rules that could make them start losing

[u/Kule7 → u/Top-Cupcake4775]

Then just batter the opposition to it relentlessly

[u/SomeNotTakenName → u/Top-Cupcake4775]

There should be a popular vote mechanism for amending the constitution. No bullshit districts or anything. Just if enough people like the thing, we can make it happen.

Obviously not a simple majority, that would be a bit crazy here, but surely there is a target number which would be reasonable.

[u/atreeismissing → u/SomeNotTakenName]

There should be a popular vote mechanism for amending the constitution.

That'll go over well, the same electorate that voted in Trump, twice, making constitutional decisions is a great idea. /s

[u/RyFro → u/Top-Cupcake4775]

The hard truth is we US citizens need to stop consuming their products. We can absolutely do it. But the majority of people dont. You don't need to use Amazon. You don't need to use oil. It sounds like an impossible task to stop doing the things so many of us are used to using. But we absolutely can.

[u/atreeismissing → u/Top-Cupcake4775]

Nobody said it would be easy, or quick.

over 90% of the members of both of those bodies owe their seat to corporate campaign contributions

That's BS and even if it's close to that, it's only at the federal level for Senate seats, most House seats are entirely small donations (which is why SCOTUS lowered the rate that Super PACs can get advertising because that benefits the GOP since most Dem House seats are entirely small donation driven).

[u/randohipponamo → u/Top-Cupcake4775]

A guy literally passed an amendment by himself in the 90s. It took him 20 years. But still. It’s possible.

[u/Prestigious_Leg_7117]

THIS. American citizens do not realize that this change alone can alter the country into better individual representation.

[u/Broken-Sarcasm-Meter → u/Prestigious_Leg_7117]

Or at least just keep passing laws blocking it. Abortion was supposedly "settled" but that didn't stop the GOP from constantly passing laws that needed to be challenged in court. Why doesn't the Dems just keep passing laws that attack the SCOTUS ruling

[u/AdditionalBalance975 → u/Prestigious_Leg_7117]

It would literally restrict our ability to lobby, voice our opinions, have collective action, dissent against politicians we dont like, etc. Directly reducing our individual representation.

[u/StockGalifinakis]

We can but it will take a Democrat president, A congress that is overwhelmingly Democrats. A Senate of 67 Democrats. And those 3 branches coming together and removing all the SCOTUS Justices appointed by Trump. A nullification of all things Trump. Right now the White House, the Senate, SCOTUS, and the House are in bed with those “Human Corporations.”

[u/crazy_urn → u/StockGalifinakis]

Its a bit naive to assume the majority of democrats aren't also in bed with corporations.

[u/StockGalifinakis → u/crazy_urn]

Yes. But one party is evil and only cares about corporate interests while the other backs social programs for the people as opposed to social programs for the corporations. Bill Maher said it well, “a vote for a Democrat is a vote for a disappointing friend. And voting Republican is like voting for the enemy” , or as I like to say, voting against your self interest, unless you are very wealthy, and then you truly are voting your self interest.

[u/Valash83 → u/StockGalifinakis]

It also requires 3/4 of the States to ratify any proposal from Congress. No chance getting 37 state legislators or conventions to agree on something in this political climate

[u/ChangedEnding → u/StockGalifinakis]

The president is not needed for a constitutional amendment.

the Supreme Court has articulated the Judicial Branch’s understanding that the President has no formal constitutional role in that [constitutional amendment] process.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artV-3-4/ALDE_00013052/

[u/atreeismissing → u/StockGalifinakis]

And 20 years of that govt in place doing the right things. Majorities aren't enough, we need them for a long time. Not to mention that same majority in most state legislatures too.

[u/AcceptablyPotato]

Citizens united has been an absolute clusterfuck for this country. This really does need to be the 28th amendment.

[u/deaglebingo → u/AcceptablyPotato]

ever notice how almost every single bill republicans pass or try to... or supreme court case or PAC... the name is always opposite of what they actually intend to do. .... always opposite day.

the SAVE america act... like gimme a fucking break. these ppl are out of their minds and i'm tired of pretending they aren't or that everything they do isn't abusive and evil as fuck. 25 years of this is enough.

[u/bdragon81]

[u/ddonsky]

Counterpoint, if corporations are considered people, they should be taxed on all revenue, not profit.

[u/Pretty_Shallot_586]

maybe we could compromise and make corporations 3/5ths of a person.... historically speaking

[u/Wise_Analysis7083 → u/Pretty_Shallot_586]

There’s precedent.

[u/Reeeeallly → u/Pretty_Shallot_586]

Brilliant

[u/atreeismissing → u/Pretty_Shallot_586]

Still too much but point taken.

[u/Burritosupreeem]

Yes. Absolutely. Get this man’s number. He need to help the democrats make a plan.

[u/deaglebingo → u/Burritosupreeem]

he is.

[u/Solid_Mood5458]

Yesssss!

[u/Drgnmstr97]

This guy makes too much sense to ever get elected to the most polorizing office in the world.

[u/Several_Educator9182]

Hopefully, our future President

[u/Delmonico52]

We need term limits on everything that is government. The house of representatives the senate the supreme courts. And all judges. Also judges should be held accountable. Shakespeare said it best and the next revolution we hang the lawyers first.

[u/Top-Cupcake4775 → u/Delmonico52]

term limits won't do much. it's like we have a machine that produces sausages made from shit. making that machine run faster won't make it produce better sausages. we will just replace our corporate socket puppets with other corporate sock puppets at a faster rate.

[u/BernieBooBro → u/Delmonico52]

And expand the House to 700 reps and SCOTUS to 27 justices.

And Add 50 more senators, but that would probably require an amendment.

[u/JickleBadickle → u/Delmonico52]

Yes hang the people who know how the law works what a stupid idea

[u/Oldenlame]

Ban 501c(4) today

[u/Bro13847]

The words of a winner

[u/GhostDogJef → u/Bro13847]

BasedButtigieg

[u/BernieBooBro]

The best policy Buttigieg ever espoused was Uncapping the House.

[u/realRootmaster911]

And who funded Buttigieg’s 2020 campaign?

That’s what I fucking thought. AOC 2028

[u/Option420s]

Incredible messaging coming from this McKinsey rat freak

[u/Grey056]

Now do trans rights, Pete.

[u/hxcya]

Isnt Pete a shill for israel?

[u/N1NJA_HaMSTERS]

You're not getting that from Pete. Fuck Pete

[u/baloras]

I wish he had a realistic chance to be president. I'd vote for him in a hearbeat.

[u/marvology]

So we starting the shadow Buttigieg campaigning again?

[u/av32productions]

Appreciate the sentiment but I don't wanna hear that from someone who helped steamroll Bernie's campaign just to secure a cabinet position

[u/boof_the_rich]

While we're at it, let's throw in term limits and single-issue bills.

[u/Successful_Fact_4530]

Go Pete!!!❤️

[u/k9peter]

If money is speech then a rich man can shout and a poor man can only whisper

[u/jakeStacktrace]

Sorry but you are not going to get the required number of states to go along with that.

[u/flyinhighaskmeY → u/jakeStacktrace]

Yeah, Democrats and Republicans are a failed ruling class. Can't get anything done. We really need to do something with that group. Personally, I say we kick them out of the country.

[u/drkato33]

Damn straight Skippy.

[u/TheWholeSausage]

Surely

[u/Mithrandic]

Wish they had attempted to do anything about it last administration. Shit feels hollow.

[u/MyFocusIsU]

That 👆 sh1t must be undone. Corporations ARE NOT People!

[u/Traditional_Oil_9240]

Money Talks...we all know that.

[u/The_Tooter_Snooter]

I’ll take Buttigieg over Newsom, that’s for sure 

[u/realRootmaster911 → u/The_Tooter_Snooter]

Not by much. Funded by the same people as he calls to end citizens united. Doesn’t believe in anything.

[u/AdLeast1309]

Thank you Mitch McConnell. That was his baby. He made speeches about how necessary it was for free speech

[u/Umayummyone]

Nah. An archaic constitution is an ideal way to run a country.

[u/Agreeable-Dance-9768]

Citizens United is why everything is so messed up today. Americans for Prosperity can eat my whole butt.

[u/wgcole01]

🙄

[u/Altruistic_Tie_7850]

Now this is a real strategy.

[u/Available_Reveal8068]

If corporations aren't people, can they still be subject to taxation?

[u/uvucydydy → u/Available_Reveal8068]

Not THAT kind of people!

[u/emeraldemon]

Justice John Paul Stevens wrote a great book called Six Amendments outlining six specific constitutional amendments he thought the U.S. Constitution needed. If you're interested in concrete ideas to fix the constitution I'd highly recommend it.

[u/memphistopoles]

Absolutely! The Roberts Court decided to declare corporations people without any supporting language in the constitution and without any legislatively authorized Amendment. Similarly, the Roberts Court declared that money was speech, again without any amendment passed by the majority of states. And of course the Roberts Court has negated actual legislation protecting voting rights as passed and reaffirmed by Congress, simply because the current court majority wanted it to go away. Oh, and the Roberts Court conjured out of thin air the idea that Presidents enjoy broad immunity for illegal acts, though nothing in law or the constitution says anything of the sort.

If six justices can simply create new constitutional powers and limits, those decisions can be reversed by the Amendment process.

[u/Temporal-Affairs221]

Only if you agree to stop taxing them. That was the basis for the decision. If you tax a corporation, they get to say in what happens.

[u/Rare_Anywhere470]

And presidents are not above the law.

[u/ComndNConqr]

And we’re freakin entitled to clean water!

[u/cchaven1965]

Never forget what the rich and the corporate politicians have done and tried to take from everyone else.

[u/Mindless-Beat-4872]

So you’re asking the corporations to allow the government to pass a law that effectively kicks the corporations in the balls? Good luck

[u/Fair-Sir610]

Have any of you actually read Citizens United? Because all i see is people talking about corporations, but unions also were part of it. They also got the same rights as corporations, they were working together to get it passed. And removing it would take those same rights away from both. While i think that it it needs to go but i have to ask, why is it that nobody talks about the unions when ever someone brings up citizens united.

[u/rygelicus → u/Fair-Sir610]

And that's fine. The goal is to get the power back where it should be, the voters, not the wealthy, and a massive portion of that is the non human entities/corporations. Corporations/businesses cannot vote, people can. Our votes are being overruled by the money.

[u/WORKING2WORK → u/Fair-Sir610]

No one talks about how this affects unions because of how insignificant they have become in modern American society.

[u/TheBSQ]

At the end of the day, you need rural voters to do big things.

If you have rural voters, you can do a lot. 

If you don’t, you can’t.  

[u/rygelicus]

And maybe convicted felons cannot run for or occupy elected office.

[u/the_blastomatic]

States have the power to eliminate foreign and out-of-state political interference by tightening their election laws. If states restrict campaign contributions to registered local voters who cast ballots in the last election cycle, they can secure their elections with minimal federal interference.

[u/Whole_Pain_7432]

Over Clarence Thomas' dead body

[u/EitherChannel4874]

It's literally called an amendment.

An amendment is a formal or official change made to a law, contract, constitution, or other legal document. If it's been changed once it can be changed more.

[u/HexspaReloaded]

Ok but those amendments were intense battles waged over decades.

[u/Heng-Li]

Corporations are composed of individuals who have free speech. For you to say that a corporation doesn't have free speech means that those individuals running the corporation don't have free speech. It's the same thing.

So yes technically corporations don't have free speech because they aren't individual people. But it's kind of pointless for you to bring this up. Individuals running the corporations have free speech. So therefore in the end the corporation should effectively have the right of free speech anyway through those individuals who have the right of free speech.

[u/ruizach]

“If corporations aren’t people, why do I keep falling in love with them?”

MAGGATs, probably

[u/thaw4188]

btw that was also first done because of "christian nationalists"

didn't some states solve this by making rules for incorporation that they couldn't use their money on politics?

(Hawaii and Montana so far, needs to be more)

[u/JRock1276]

We didn't amend the Constitution with beer purchasing requirements. Did he ever read?

[u/Drakex2Mayex2]

If corporations are people they need to be criminally liable for their actions like people. Like PG&E was convicted of 84 manslaughter charges for the Camp Fire but still does business today.

We somehow value economic value more than human life.

[u/Don_Kehote]

I'll believe that a corporation is a person the day a Health Insurance company is tried and executed for mass murder.

[u/theartificialkid]

Watch America ratify an amendment limiting personhood to something like “natural born human beings” just in time to make slaves of clones and the first sentient machines.

[u/gigglefarting]

The constitutions amendability is one of the best things about it  

[u/BeehavenTrading]

He’s a fucking mayor! Please.

[u/PopBulky7023]

That country doesn't exist anymore.

[u/zpactoid]

Next would be AI.

[u/TheSussyWaffle]

Money isnt speech, its action

[u/ChuckConnelly]

A-fucking-men

[u/DebentureThyme]

We absolutely could.

But we don't have the support for it. The parties have polarized and entrenched so much, there will never be the needed numbers to pass an amendment for the foreseeable future.

[u/Cbpowned]

Surely we can take away citizenship from a bunch of people who shouldn’t be here

[u/Bellick]

Corporations should go to prison

[u/wingnu1]

Throw in that lobbying is a felony thanks

[u/Alert_Reindeer_6574]

How do you propose doing that when the people who would amend the constitution are the same people who are being bought with that corporate "speech"?

[u/DJJazzyTanner]

Not with Republicans in charge

[u/XXXcrimsongrave]

You would've thought so but apparently money speaks louder than words. and its wayyyy too late

[u/FairyNymphCalypso69]

And rapist pedophiles aren't presidents?

[u/MrBytor]

Pete is a middling Democrat the same way Kamala and Hillary and Biden are. Expect him to cave to corporate interests just like they all did. The Obama-impersonator era of the democratic party needs to be over. Obama got you right into the orange hands that are strangling the country, and Biden couldn't save you. Real change is necessary, not half-measures that barely stave off republican fascism for another 4 years.

[u/ApolloX-2]

I think constitutional amendments should be for challenging and diffident things we can’t handle via laws.

SCOTUS needs to overturn its Citizens United decision and ironically thanks for Roberts court precedent means nothing.

[u/amendtwoeight]

How would you phrase the Amendment? Here is one version:

SECTION 1. The rights protected by the Constitution of the United States are the inherent rights of natural persons only. Artificial entities, including corporations, limited liability companies, and other statutory creations, shall possess no constitutional rights, and shall be subject to sovereign regulation by the People through Federal, State, or local law.

SECTION 2. Congress and the States shall have the power to regulate, limit, or prohibit the raising and spending of money by natural persons and artificial entities to influence elections or ballot measures.

It turns out it may be more difficult to gather momentum for Constitutional level change than it is making a soundbite.

[u/KeyDoubt2344]

Eliminate dark money. Eliminate corporate donations. Limit maximum individual donations.

[u/Slw202 → u/KeyDoubt2344]

And limit them to where the donor can actually vote.

[u/pinecedare31]

If only……. :0/

[u/gilligani]

Pete Buttigieg's 2000 presidential primary campaign drew significant attention and criticism for accepting donations from high-net-worth individuals, tech executives, and corporate and financial sector professionals, while officially banning contributions from corporate PACs and federal lobbyists.

[u/Reasonable-View5868]

Problem is getting the politicians receiving that money to agree

[u/Pretend_Teacher_4142]

You think the people are the country? The government amended liquor laws. The corporations amended it back. Because of capitalism.

[u/Electrical-Bit4211]

I’ve never understood how more money therefore means more free for someone…

[u/givemeareason17]

Why do we need to amend the constitution? Could they not just draft a law themselves and be done?

[u/oboshoe]

It's a nice sentiment and will pay well to be base.

But no. that amendment isn't gonna happen and he knows that.

[u/Gunsensual]

The left doesn't do amendments any more. One statute, ruling, or rulemaking peanut and they throw in the towel. Shit they didn't even need a statute for abortion. Just one court edict was good enough, as Ginsburg predicted.

[u/Sensitive_Election83]

This man might be earning my vote if i get the chance to vote for him

[u/Cool-Association3420]

If corporations are people then they can go to jail

[u/Expensive-Salt3333]

If they are people, they should be sued as such.

[u/Altruistic-Tart-8295]

Unions are not people either

[u/stellarwizard]

https://giphy.com/gifs/l0IyjsRmOGhlj1DeU

[u/BothDivide919]

He's got a point, but the corporations own the congressmen. Also lol his name is Buttigieg

[u/trying3216]

But money is speech.

[u/CommissionCharming35]

I'm not sure I believe this kind of talk from Buttigieg. He is historically very pro big corpo, which lost him the 2020 primary.

[u/Street_Insurance8706]

He is a joke. Mayor of a tiny city. Didn’t do well. His tenure as secretary of transportation speaks for itself

[u/justanotherone2026]

And maybe a convicted sex offender felon and insurrectionist cannot be elected president. That would also be good.

[u/Personal-Pride-2024]

I’d start with the guns.

[u/Beneficial-Win-1457]

Yep

[u/sharkbomb]

yeah, but voting republican by attrition would have to stop first. 

[u/PTthefool]

did I just like a Buttigieg quote? 🫣

[u/CaramelSpiritual1134]

“money is speech” isn’t law, it’s a judgement from the supreme court. the current court would just overturn any new law, other than a constitutional amendment. A two-thirds majority vote is required in the senate is required to approve a constitutional amendment, how is that possible with fuxnews and unlimited corporate ad dollars.

[u/Malawakatta]

"The odd American idea that giving money to political campaigns is free speech means that the very rich have far more free speech, and so in effect far more voting power, than other citizens." - Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century.

[u/RoseRouge007]

It’s amazing how obvious and sensible it sounds when someone speaks common sense.

[u/Mountain-Pattern9996]

I always liked Pete.

[u/Consequence-Lumpy]

Watching America crash like the Soviet Union is very entertaining.

[u/Practical-Arm-5351]

Trump had less campaign money than his rival both times he won. 

[u/Grand_Taste_8737]

Finally, I agree with something on this subreddit. :)

[u/Sensitive_Sky1448]

"would you stop taking corporate donations?"

"No"

[u/Whole_Valuable1662]

Meanwhile billionaires are pumping 1.6 billion into Democrat campaigns

[u/Natural-Hamster-3998]

While I 💯 agree with this, it's a dangerous thing to say out loud. Under this administration someone use that argument to repeal the 19th or any other Amendments (Women's Suffrage)

[u/R0uge1701E]

Wine cave Pete certainly has changed his opinion on big money buying off politicians since 2020

[u/Floopisamadmannnn]

"If the Quarter Quell was written into law by men, certainly it can be unwritten." -Beetee (Hunger Games)

[u/Objective-Acadia542]

Says the guy whose large donations accounted for 57% of his fundraising in the 2020 election cycle... (Opensecrets.org)

There's a reason he's not a change candidate; several million to be more accurate.

[u/wyldmann1974]

He just needs to go suck a dick

[u/Reasonable_Sense8255]

Dumbass comment by Buttigieg, even after tremendous  effort, we could not pass an  amendment giving women equal rights with men. But, I guess, as long as we have enough beer, women and corporations manipulating elections really don't  matter.

[u/bobnyoung]

PB is an idiot…..

[u/Howler133]

Im afraid to ask? Who's saying money is speech and why?

[u/communitytcm]

this POS helped the scammy DNC throw Bernie under the bus, and he did it for corporate money.