r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 16h ago
PositiviTea đ 'The Daily Show' said it best...
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u/rygelicus 16h ago
As a reminder...
is a muslim, but MAGA seems fine having him in the white house.
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u/PrincessWails 16h ago
He looks âwhiteâ enough for them to pretend
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u/Alan47717 15h ago
They think he's from the land of Oz and they only remember midgets and white people from the movie.
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u/radicldreamer 14h ago edited 10h ago
Dwarfs. That term is offensive to many little people.
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u/Alan47717 13h ago
You're right, but they don't like dwarves either. Little people is actually the preferred term. Brain fart on my part.
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u/CodeRadDesign 10h ago
oh that magical land where the ladies wear no bras, and the men don't care because they wear no underwear?
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u/Ambitious-Rock-8302 14h ago
they're also fine with muslims donating a jet for the president to fly in.
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u/vintage_neurotic 15h ago
Wtf, TIL
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u/ColumbaPacis 14h ago
His full name is Mehmet Cengiz Oz, his parents are Turkish immigrants.
Also, it is actually written as Dr. Ăz - Pronounced like âUhzâ.
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u/MathematicianTop9519 13h ago
Named after the dude who took Constantinople from Christendom and led to centuries of Christian vs Muslim culture wars lol
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u/Adventurous-Dog420 14h ago
What goes on behind closed doors is no problem for them.
Unless you're just a regular citizen. Then it's wrong.
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u/Fun-Calmings 16h ago
This is a fantastic take. As has been said so many ways today, hating people because of their religion or skin does a disservice to all who were lost that day.
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u/JSlickJ 12h ago
It's a take that somehow isn't the standard because that's literally what one of the primary goals for terrorism. To invoke fear against the target, and make a threat be perceived as larger than it really is. If you start to fear and hate all muslims you're just giving in to the terrorism
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u/Amathyst7564 8h ago
Religion is an idealogy. And no ideology should be above criticism.
Otherwise every terrible ideology can just start calling itself a religion and be above criticism.
Islam is backwards. Mamadani is a great man despite his ideology much like Christian maga being terrible despite Jesus being a socialist hippie.
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u/Dear_Chasey_La1n 13h ago
It's mental to see how much people shit on him for what religion he got. What's mental2 how many Jewish people shit on him.
I'm not American but he seems to be doing things just for making NY better. Small things like the snow plowing, but also bigger things like food for kids in education.
And no matter what he does, people have the need to shit on him. They rather have some israeli extremist that saddles the city with debt and no improvements?
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u/documentiron 13h ago edited 13h ago
Hating people because of their religion is perfectly rational when their religion sucks. It's why I hate people in the Westboro Baptist Church. Not really sure how the religious conned everyone into thinking their ideologies are beyond reproach and that the people who believe it, even if it's heinous, should not be blamed, but I hate it.
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u/thetatershaveeyes 13h ago
Right, so hating Mamdani because he's a Muslim is a totally rational take according to you. If you hate anyone, hate them because of their words and actions, not which version of sky daddy they follow. The WBC is awful because they are a group dedicated to extremist hate, not because of their religion, because most people who follow it are perfectly normal human beings.
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u/fkntripz 12h ago
Hating people because of their religion is perfectly rational when their religion sucks.
This is called bigotry and if you truly believe this you're an evil human.
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u/ActuatorSeparate1993 16h ago
People that push for war love making people believe Islam is incompatible with âwestern valuesâ or living amongst non Muslims . Which is absolutely not true
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u/willflameboy 14h ago
You can't blame them for thinking it when it's been force fed to them via the right wing media in order to justify war forever.
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u/Willburt14 14h ago
Actually we can. At a certain point, it's a failure of critical thinking and the inability to confront your own beliefs
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u/ydddy55 14h ago
It does suck that some people never make it out of these narrow minded circles.
My wife is from the middle of nowhere and didnât really have political preferences until college, at which point she was able to see the world outside of where she grew up. The people that never made it out of her small town developed different political ideologies. Iâll leave it to you to guess which is which.
Thereâs a lot of power in indoctrination, and it does take critical thinking to break it, but itâs hard to think critically about the world if you never see it.
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u/Blueberry784 13h ago
I love when Americans who have never been a minority in a Muslim-majority country lecture others about Islam and Muslims.
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u/TomT060404 16h ago
The Trump presidency is a part of Osama bin Laden's legacy. He helped created the xenophobia that Trump shamelessly exploited.
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u/SoylentGrunt 15h ago
Doublethink is the power to hold two contradictory beliefs in your mind at the same time and accept both as true.
-the wicked wiki
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u/FlatwormAway2228 16h ago
You're never going to convince conservatives to be anything but trash. If they've taught us anything it's that they have no bottom and will always go lower.
You just have to come together and do whatever is necessary to vote them out of power so their bigoted, low IQ opinions don't become mainstream. We haven't been doing a good job of that. Hopefully we start come November.
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u/atomicogre45 15h ago
Unfortunately this is absolutely correct. Conservatives have no values but hate and fear. They donât want to do better. Being terrible is the point.
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u/Firestarter8076 16h ago edited 15h ago
Al Qaeda kinda did win too though. The leader was removed from the most wanted list, placed in charge of Syria and just recently visited the White House. There's no good guy, bad guy when it involves America. There's only bad guy until he can benefit the US government.
Edit: The "well technically he wasn't al qaeda, he just tried to kill our soldiers" arguments from Americans is amusing.
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u/rygelicus 16h ago
A leader within Al Qaeda, not 'the' leader. Still shitty, and Trump took a bribe from him and relieved Syria of sanctions and tarrifs.
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u/FrCanadianSwearing 14h ago
Of course they won. Ever travelled by plane? Those eedjits got you taking off your shoes, throwing out water bottles, hair conditioner, walking through the Rap-I-Scan. Oh yeah, way to hand the enemy a complete and total victory.
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u/TheRealCjHall 16h ago edited 16h ago
There's only a bad guy until he can benefit the US
governmentbillionaires.Fixed that for you.
There are many people in local government who do want good, but you can't have a good government when you have money in politics.
You can't avoid money in politics when you have capitalism.
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u/DrPoontang 16h ago
This is a nice sentiment but Muslims arenât even responsible for 911
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u/boforbojack 16h ago
Wow thatâs spoken incredibly well. I just wish the rest of the country could also win
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u/The_Tooter_Snooter 15h ago edited 15h ago
NYC won but America lost. Osama bin Ladens stated goal was to be âthe fly that drives the horse off a cliffâ. Mission accomplished. Between the Patriot act, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the uptick in racism, heck even the installation of flock cameras, it can all be traced back to us losing our collective minds on that day. America was already on life support before that happened and I fully believe that was the last nail in the coffin.Â
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u/RealPension1433 16h ago
That was a hard line. Mandani number 1. Al Queefa number zero.
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u/Ordinary_Study_2175 15h ago
I hate that comedians are the only real voice of reason these days. Stewart, Colbert, Oliver etc...
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u/Lanky-Wheel8330 15h ago
Iâm frustrated that not one news organization has done a piece on the geopolitics that led to 9/11. And Trump didnât even show up for the memorial. Biden did.
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u/Wrong-Pension-4975 14h ago edited 14h ago
Yes -Â
Joe, who is reliable, relatable, & a genuine mensch -Â
a widower who went h ome daily M-F from DC to Delaware, to have dinner with his sons, help with homework, & tuck them in.
Unlike our Felon in Chief, he's willing to cross the aisle & work for bipartisan support.
He always kept the welfare of the nation & her citizens as his primary concern -Â
Not his portfolio, personal profit, & public attention.
Even while suffering & literally dying of cancer, Joe shows up.
Dumpty can't be arsed - despite NYC being his hometown (& note that New Yorkers largely despise him, even more than folks elsewhere; they've seen him operate for DECADES, the rose tinted glasses don't work, any more).
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u/Braelind 13h ago
That's well said, and very accurate. Most Muslim folks would condemn the violence of 9/11. Religions all just want people to live in peace, don't listen to anyone who tells you otherwise, they only seek to co-opt your religion for their own selfish motives.
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u/R_V_Z 12h ago
If you haven't ever seen Jon Stewart's post-9/11 monologue I'm sorry that it seems to have been scrubbed from the internet. Here is a transcript, though. It was very good when he gave it.
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u/Apprehensive-Ad9832 4h ago
One caveat here it very much is our own governmentâs vision of the world. The campaign to villainize the Middle East and Muslims leading up to and post 9/11 was strong and deliberate.
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u/Nolacuriosity 15h ago
Hey people, we need to stop worrying about what people look like and their religion and worry about they want to work for us. They want to work to make the country better. That's it. Nothing else. Mondami is doing that.
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u/HarrMada 15h ago
New york won but America lost. America meddled around in the middle east and got hit with its own medicine. It was entirely predictable. Then they played victim for 25 years and still do.
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u/BritniGlitter 15h ago
Osama Bin Laden did not do anything worse than what the US had been doing and continue to do. Also interesting fact but there's a certain genocidal country that IsNotReal that when i mentioned it's name reddit wouldn't let me post the comment
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u/Default-Username-168 15h ago
America is a paranoid surveillance police state where citizens are murdered in the streets by unchecked law enforcement agents. Al Qaeda definitely won.
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u/LikeIsaidItsNothing 15h ago
this is so beautifully said. I never thought of t that way. They're right.
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u/sammiches621 14h ago
I live in the south but I hear hes doing well, especially on infrastructure. Certainly got the attention of the whole nation. Mamdani 2028? 2032? (Well shit hes born in Uganda we really miss out on some good leaders this way but at least it prevents elon from taking office)
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u/Pale-Supermarket3217 14h ago
And the fact that the saudis were responsible for all of it, and the saudis own the president of the United States, and the president of the United States has destroyed the country, means⊠the saudis won?
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u/ragin2cajun 14h ago
Technically Bin Laden said he did it because at least one major reason what our support for Israel and the treat of the Palestinians.
Seeing how we are now in wrifoed genocide mode, I don't know that I would call it a victory for anyone seeing that nothing changed except for the worse.
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u/eeevaughn 13h ago
Mini-minds are trying to make Mamdami an issue as theyâre pissed they lost the mayoral election BIG time and showing America how a city can be run for its residents.
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u/Barry_Vigoda 13h ago
This is ridiculous. Am Canadian, grew up in the 70s in the tail of the Vietnam War. Americans just hit $40 trillion national debt because the multinational corporate class took over the media back in the 80s.
Bin Laden never took credit for 9/11 and Americans blanket blaming Muslims was stupid in 2001 and it's still stupid today. The only winners from 9/11 was the corporate class who has spent the last 25 years turning western countries into police states.
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u/MinuetInUrsaMajor 12h ago
Republicans don't want New York to win.
Republicans want Democrats to lose.
They know it, you know it, we all know it.
Republicans are neither patriotic nor American.
They are a club of braindead ostriches with the thinnest, tackiest veneer of red, white, and silver tinsel that they wear to signal membership because their white hoods went out of style.
They know it, you know it, we all know it.
-Dr. Minuet, PhD
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u/justsomedude4202 12h ago
Bin Laden portrayed U.S. military presence in Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War, U.S. support for Israel, sanctions and military actions involving Iraq, and American support for governments in Muslim-majority countries as parts of a single Western campaign against Muslims.
What exactly do you feel he was wrong about?
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u/AdditionalMeat1775 9h ago edited 9h ago
Throughout the 20th and 21st centuries, in terms of geopolitics, the United States has been the world's primary perpetrator of state-sponsored terrorism.
The dominant perspective that characterizes militancy in the Middle East or Global South as an abstract animosity towards "freedom." Instead, I contended that what the West designates as "terrorism" is predominantly a justified, defensive action within asymmetric warfare employed by indigenous populations resisting ruinous U.S. military incursions and systematic occupation of their territories.
It is a unique historical reality that the United States is the only nation in human history to have used nuclear weapons, resulting in the destruction of entire civilian populations through state action. and a deliberate, massacre of civilians and recurring structural approach where the U.S. regards foreign leaders and proxy forces as entirely expendable resources.
This includes figures such as Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, and Osama bin Laden (The so-called islamists) Excluding the numerous leaders from South America and Africa, these individuals were heavily supported, armed, or accommodated when they align with U.S. corporate or geopolitical interests, only to be systematically demonized, pursued, or eliminated once their usefulness ends.
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u/ThePokemomrevisited 8h ago
Why does everything that comes from the US always have to be expressed in terms of 'winning'?
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u/juanjung 15h ago
The objective of Osama Bin Laden was to expel US from the Middle East and Trump just proved to the world that Bin Laden won.
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u/CoverHuman9771 15h ago
âNew York grownâ my ass. This America hating, terrorism sympathizing bum is from Kenya.
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u/its_yer_dad 15h ago
Muslim-American. I don't know how to make it any simpler, except maybe just American. Hmm...
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u/ErBoProxy 15h ago
....you mean this 9 year old kid did not singlehandedly orchestrated the attack?
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u/mowtowcow 15h ago
Unfortunately, there are two ways to look at this. Yes, we have a Muslim mayor of New York, but a third of the country is now strictly anti 2/3 of the country because they are not the way that 1/3 wants them to be. That was Osama's vision for the US. He has well exceeded his goal. He didnt have to win. We are splitting ourselves up.
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u/astorianvictorian 14h ago
Mamdani was smiling and laughing at the 9/11 memorial today. he's just as evil as the terrorists who flew the planes.
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u/WoodsLovelyDarkNDeep 14h ago
Not if you listen to the Ru771an fanboys over at the intercept they wrote a piece about how Osama won today which I think is a shite thing to do
Even if you believe that find some other day to write it. Â Itâs one thing for someone who actually has love for this country to admit that itâs something else entirely for someone who wishes Ru771a was in control to do so
Itâs like how I can talk shit about my family but if someone else does it I ask them nicely to stop
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u/kvbrd_YT 14h ago
that's like saying
"The idea that WWII is about "Nazis versus America" isn't just wrong, it's accepting Adolf Hitler's vision of the world."
"And the fact that 25 years after WWII, we have a New York-grown, Nazi mayor leading our remembrance, proves to the world that the NSDAP didn't win, New York won."
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u/anotherlost_creature 14h ago
AND he exposed the secrets the governments been trying to hide for over 2 decades
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u/Calzinarzin 14h ago
I mean the complete destabilization of the middle east, over a million dead., and a surveillance state so massive and accepted it would make Stalin blush doesn't seem like something I would say was a "win" for us.
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u/BicFleetwood 14h ago edited 14h ago
I mean, that wasn't Bin Laden's goal.
Bin Laden's goal was to trigger a US overreaction that over the following years would stretch its resources and power to the limit and cause the slow degradation and collapse of its interventionist imperial presence across the globe under the weight of its own vengeful ambitions.
He was more or less taking an accelerationist approach with the understanding--particularly having witnessed the fall of the USSR under similar circumstances with its own war in Afghanistan--that an imperial project cannot survive its own retaliatory nature even if in the immediate term its strength seems mighty. And with rising Eastern powers (namely China and India) becoming similar economic and military rivals to the US as the US was to the USSR during the Cold War, all it would really take to collapse US global presence over time is to draw it into a long-term, ambiguously-defined and ultimately unwinnable conflagration that its rival states remain neutral on and relatively untouched by.
Bin Laden didn't wake up one morning and say to himself "damn, I hate freedom and their way of life." He had material goals with the act which frankly he achieved. The goal was to draw the US into signing a check it couldn't cash. Which we did. The US' only winning move would have been to remain calm and rebuild. Instead, we behaved exactly as he meant us to. We took the bait.
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u/Every-Drawer8999 14h ago
How would New York NOT having a muslim mayor mean that Al-Qaeda won? People just say things now.
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u/ChronoLink99 14h ago
Haha, Al-Qaeda still won. NYC voters are just more resilient and more representative of American values than most of the country.
Well, really nobody "won". But it's been a shit show for 25 years.
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u/BitesTheDust55 14h ago
Sorry, how is that not Osama's preference as well? Explain it to me, as if I were a child.
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u/No-Double-Trouble 14h ago
Conservative subreddit is something. Most are sane about Muslim mayor, rest are racist af f
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u/Majestic_Magi 13h ago edited 13h ago
âAl Qaeda didnât winâ is a hell of a bold statement. US military leadership have been making the rounds admitting that our imperial outposts in the middle east are fucked and we may never be going back to them.
Yeah, we may have killed Bin Laden, maybe we even defeated al qaeda (an arguable point), but it looks more and more likely that Al Qaedaâs strategic goals are exactly what will come out of this quarter century misadventure
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u/forgetno1 𫧠Bubble Tea 𫧠13h ago
It's always good to hear people say the right thing now and then. I wish that the media spoke the truth like this more often.
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u/VeryBlandUsername- 13h ago
No, Al Qaeda absolutely won.
The America we had vs the America we're in now...we definitely lost.
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u/Charming_Account_351 13h ago
It was also an event that occurred in history that occurred generations ago. My grandfather was a child during WWII and died in his 70s over 20 years ago.
The people who perpetrated those events and those directly impacted are long dead. I will not feign any emotional attachment to events that resolved themselves before my parents were born. The world in which Pearl Harbor happened doesnât exist anymore. The governments and people responsible donât exist anymore. They are events that occurred and are now history.
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u/Physical_Drive9093 13h ago
Sorry there Princess I mispoke. I may have tried Dranken or drunken. Perhaps. Then again I'm no lingquest. Only trying to make a point and a difference of opinion. Then again the tactic of the left is to look for minor mistakes and exploit them. So sick and immature. You win. Keep drinking.
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u/HexspaReloaded 13h ago
The only law we need is a weekly blunt passing ceremony among all the religious people.Â
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u/fuckthefascists2025 12h ago
NYC won for sure, but there is a LOT of this country losing right now đ«©
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u/Overall_Fee_8195 12h ago
But did New York win? Still seems like a loss to me. Doesn't mean you can't move on and things be better. You can't undo a loss with future wins.
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u/StupidDumbass420 12h ago
America lost. We learned nothing from the incident, doubled down on our bad foreign policy, created a bunch of new terrorist groups, have done little to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, took a giant leap toward fascism, and keep starting more conflicts in the region.
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u/Guytwippin420 12h ago
He thinks Osama bin Laden was the one that planned it. Didn't know he was a jew.
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u/Adjective-Noun-nnnn 11h ago
I really like how The Daily Show is cycling through hosts these days. Acosta delivering this message somehow seems like the most sincere tone to deliver to the people who need to hear it.
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u/Kindly_Detective9149 11h ago
The Daily Slow said it like a true propagandist. Al Qaida won with Mamdami and New York lost! It just proves New Yorkers are in serious trouble. Ban me, Reddit, like the Leftist Communist site you are!
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u/RealDealz5150 10h ago
You want to see how similar the right is to radical Islam you should watch the BBC Adam Curtis documentary The Power of Nightmares Baby it's Cold Outside.
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u/carl65yu 10h ago
You have a former President who said he is a Zionist and the majority of the Represenatives and Senators take donations from AIPAC. You as a nation are an ISIS and Al-Qaeda recruiting poster for the next 50 years.
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u/alexabeams 16h ago
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