r/SipsTea • u/sco-go • 14h ago

Wait a damn minute! Bad time for a how-to YouTube video.

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u/North-Airline2676 14h ago

Just the modern way to do it. In the past they would consult their medical journals. No issues here and its good your doctor is getting more info.

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u/weedpornography 14h ago

Very likely that its the hospital's own video too lol

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u/lolimazn 14h ago

Even if it isn’t, many institutions post videos like this. It’s the internet lol. The era of information and ease of accessibility is glorious. At least it isn’t a TikTok lmaooo.

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u/Mondial5 13h ago

If they pulled up a TikTok I am out of there. 

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u/Mom_baMentality 13h ago

But so many patients will tell me that tik tok told them not to take their diabetes medication 😧

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u/NightGod 12h ago

Now imagine if their doctor said that TikTok told them to have their patients stop taking their diabetes medication!

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u/Mom_baMentality 9h ago

Or if they got their doctorate from Tiktok university 📜

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u/ScrotalSmorgasbord 8h ago

My eyes gloss over every time someone says "ayyy checkout this TikTok" or something similar. What's the prognosis? Am I gonna make it?

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u/Distinct_Run9006 9h ago

You'll know if they start treating you with essential oils lol

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u/Someonenamedkim 13h ago

So thankful of places that post random informational videos, my toddler loves them.

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u/Cum_on_doorknob 12h ago

Doctor here. It’s not, lol. But we can tell which YouTube videos are legit, it’s a sixth sense from the years of studying.

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u/LogicalConstant 12h ago

Same thing goes for financial advice. I can pretty easily tell the difference between the real advice and the nonsense, but most people seem unable to tell the difference.

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u/duesenjeffepic 5h ago

I mean in the end this is what your degree is actually about. You gain enough knowledge and skills that you are later able to source that information yourself efficiently and correctly.

As a CS graduate I don't need to memorize how to write a Chaitin algorithm or the exact expression of the pumping lemma, but I can look the up easily compared to a novice.

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u/Surrounded-by_Idiots 13h ago

“Let me consult Dr Oz”

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u/dva_silk 13h ago

My hematologist pulled up chatgpt to understand my condition lol. She wasn't hiding it which I honestly appreciated her transparency

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u/OffWhiteCoat 6h ago

ChatGPT? Or OpenEvidence? I wouldn't necessarily trust ChatGPT not to confabulate, but OpenEvidence is more like a very robust version of UpToDate (doctor wikipedia; articles written by experts in the field), searching and summarizing peer-reviewed literature much faster than a human can.

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u/StinkUrchin 12h ago

Funnier if it’s a video of themself too

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u/dropdeadred 13h ago

Ive been a nurse for 18+ years and when I had to do an abdominal pressure reading and hadn’t done one in years, I looked it up! You can’t remember everything, damn. I’d rather look at a video and be 100% sure than pretty sure and potentially mess something up

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u/Helios4242 13h ago

Knowing that you need to know is a skill and gets over the dunning-kruger effect.

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u/dropdeadred 13h ago

I work CVICU now and I’m constantly double-checking. Those super confident nurses always make me nervous! I’m on the other side right now because I’m super pregnant and keep getting admitted for stuff and I love it when I hear my nurses and doctors talking stuff out loud and asking questions and double checking with each other.

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u/Helios4242 13h ago

especially great, because so much of the knowledge there is "was not tested in pregnant people" so there are huge gaps.

"Please talk with your healthcare professional if you are pregnant or breastfeeding" at this point they know about as much as you because clinical trials don't touch anyone pregnant or breastfeeding.

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u/everyones_hiro 12h ago

I would double check for everything as a nurse, though I would usually hide in the supply room so I didnt inspire fear in my patients.

Some procedures just aren't particularly common, so even though you learned it in school or do it professionally it could possibly be months between doing it so you just want to be 200% when you're doing it on a person. Sometimes you've done it a million times but the stock room hands you a different brand of kit and you don't want to be reading the instructions while the patient is spread eagle or something.

Just because a baker has been baking bread for 40 years doesnt mean they dont want to glance at a recipe before they make cookies.

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u/jacquesrabbit 13h ago

what the fuck is abdominal pressure reading?

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u/dropdeadred 13h ago

It helps check for compartment syndrome, basically seeing if there’s pressure buildup in the abdomen by using the patient’s urinary catheter and instilling saline and measuring on a pressure line

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u/Sea-Original-5824 13h ago

Oh God PLEASE look that up if you are not 100% sure.

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u/dropdeadred 13h ago

EXACTLY! I’d rather look ignorant at first than screw up putting stuff inside someone

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u/BigBeeOhBee 13h ago

My doc just poked a hole with a big needle.

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u/dropdeadred 13h ago

Im a nurse, so Im not allowed to poke with the giant needle. Only little needles or blunt tubes into holes

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u/BigBeeOhBee 13h ago

I understand. I appreciate the work you do and all the shit you had to wade through to get to where you are.

I use YouTube for learning as well.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Zw3oBUuOlDJ3W

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u/TranscendentaLobo 13h ago

Nice. I love when complex things are boiled down with humor. I’m a scientist and my job basically boils down to moving tiny volumes of liquid into other tiny volumes of liquid! 😄

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u/NOMursE 13h ago

IAP monitoring one of the fun foley things like RUGS.

Foleys: Not Just to Drain Your Piss.

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u/dropdeadred 13h ago

Once we got it all set up I remembered doing it before and it was easy peasy. Much better than CBI and a much lower percentage of getting bloody pee everywhere

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u/Ascendingcrow 13h ago

I bet you could look it up on YouTube

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u/everyones_hiro 13h ago

When I was a kid, before youtube existed (Gasp I know!) I had a weird rash so my mom took me to the pediatrician. It was a pretty extensive full body rash and the Dr gasped when she saw it. I guess maybe she was just expecting a kid with common hives or something but she leaned in and immediately started mumbling under her breath everything it wasn't. It wasn't chicken pox or dermatitis, or folliculitis, was it full body ringworm??? She asked my mom a million questions and told us to wait for a minute. We waited in the office for probably like 25 minutes and my mom was panicking thinking she was calling infectious disease or it was something VERY serious. The Doctor then rushes in with a HUGE text book. Like a 6 inch thick tome. She's struggling to carry them but she props one open using all her strength and points at a part of the page saying Pityriasis Rosea. She was like "ITS THIS!" very excitedly. All three of us sat there and read about it. It fit my symptoms exactly.

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u/Hobothug 13h ago

I enjoyed this story very much lol

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u/IllithidPsychopomp 4h ago

As someone that's been to medical school, a big part of being a doctor is knowing where to find the right reference material, find it and apply it quickly. You can't possibly retain it all in immediate memory but you CAN trigger a memory that you read one tiny paragraph amid your 95+ slides per class per day and know if the refresher information is correct. Evaluating your sources and having access to colleagues you can bounce ideas off of is so important!

I have a similar experience and remember my pediatrician being flabbergasted that something seen in rural tropical climates found me but she brought in her textbook to show us the smallest paragraph and was like "that was obscure, glad I read about it for a test." 🤣 I, personally, don't care how you come across the info as long as it's valid and helps me.

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u/robot_ankles 13h ago

"...but before you close up with a butterfly suture, be sure to LikE and suBscRibE! It only takes a second and it really helps my channel."

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u/poormanstoast 9h ago

Ngl, “or click to buy me a coffee” would be extremely legit for a healthcare worker…

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u/_Vard_ 13h ago

Expecting doctors to just memorize everything it just asking for them to operate on 80% outdated information

Doesn’t a lot of medical stuff become obsolete in just 5 to 10 years?

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u/amakai 13h ago

At least it's not ChatGPT.

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u/predator1975 13h ago

ChatGPT: It is 100% percent a case of the patient imagining the illness. Right until you use me in court where I will 100% throw the doctor under the bus.

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u/Napoli_98 10h ago

Do you know that chatgpt uses gov and official websites to give medical info? It's not a roleplay, but i guess it's trendy to hate on it for no reason 🤦🏿‍♂️ 🤦🏿‍♂️ 🤦🏿‍♂️ 🤦🏿‍♂️

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u/predator1975 10h ago

So the hallucinations that people talk about AI suffering from is just all in our head?

https://youtube.com/shorts/a0k8J0-KluY?is=Lwibwtjz9ZK2UF7k

Even AI experts cannot prevent their AI models from developing a new "solution" even when AI model has previously developed a working solution.

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u/emotionallyasystolic 9h ago

There are SO MANY reasons to hate on chatgpt

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u/masterjon_3 13h ago

Yeah, this is super common. Doctors do it all the time, it's not very surprising.

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u/Uchigatan 13h ago

Best: they know it by heart.

Acceptable: they know how to find out and then do it.

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u/SwimmerMission5212 13h ago

Usually it's when you want to confirm that one tricky bit that needs to do a few things in the right sequence.

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u/PolicyWonka 12h ago

That last bit is generally the most important part in any profession. Knowing what you don’t know, knowing where you can find the answer, and knowing that the answer you find is actually the right one.

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u/RandySavageOfCamalot 10h ago

Worst: They knew it by heart 20 years ago and time has passed them by.

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u/Christylian 10h ago

ICU nurse here. We're always taught that errors happen when people are working on autopilot and not thinking about what they're doing. Acting as though you know it by heart actually increases your chances of committing an error.

We have reference books, online drug monographs, and hospital made YouTube tutorials for certain medical devices. We have all these things for a reason, and that reason is that nobody knows everything and if we do something wrong, people could die.

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u/Realistic_Trick_7538 13h ago

Exactly, it's very likely a procedure demo video as well. And she's confirming the technique. A lot of med schools now have these demo type videos on youtube as it's a free video hosting site.

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u/questionable_smell 12h ago

Yeah, I work and teach in a ER and I use internet searches, youtube and every ressources available that can help me give better care. There are many procedure we don't do very often and if I'm not 110% certain, I will double and triple check how to do the procedure. Youtube is FULL of video by healthcare professional for healthcare professional about this kind of procedures. I even periodically watch some at home for more complex procedure just to be up to date.

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u/Lolseabass 7h ago

Yeah iv been told many times by nurses how they would be looking up how to take care of a hemophiliac.

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u/Jaded_Oil5669 2h ago

Seriously. Stupid people think they can do it if they looked it up like a doctor. I'd much rather have someone who's studied for 8 years and practiced for 20 look for medical information than some random on the street.

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u/iBrowseAtStarbucks 13h ago

Concern here is that a medical journal is a peer reviewed document that you know has the most up to date information. You don't know that about YouTube.

I'm a civil engineer. If I got deposed in a court case because a bridge I helped design fell down "well, your honor, I saw how to design it on a YouTube video..." Wouldn't be an adequate defense. "Well, your honor, I designed it to meet the most recent issue of the IBC..." is a VASTLY different situation.

Should people use Google and ai at work? Absolutely. It's a tool. Should it be dictating what your doctor does? Absolutely fucking not and it's wild that that's the opinion people on reddit hold when I would get absolutely fucking crucified for designing a bridge the same way.

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u/_tragicmike 13h ago

A lot of companies post internal videos to private YouTube channels. That could be case here.

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u/flactulantmonkey 13h ago

You’re making a lot of assumptions. Emergency department doctors treat a wide variety of problems. They’re probably not learning how to do this for the first time from YouTube, but if they haven’t worked on your particular issue in a while it is nice that they can get a refresher. I’ve seen this in multiple emergency departments in recent years. They’re using the tools that are available.

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u/Mr_BougieOnThatBeat 13h ago

So if a credited peer were to publish their lecture videos on say, YouTube, it is now no longer a lecture from a credited peer? It’s not very hard to verify if a YouTube account publishing videos is legit or not. Not to mention they probably have direct access to those videos BECAUSE they’re medical professionals.
I work in an oral surgery clinic and you bet our docs use videos published by leaders in their field when they encounter something they do not have extensive hands on experience with.
This is not just a doctor going to YouTube and typing in “how to remove cyst” jfc……

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u/iBrowseAtStarbucks 13h ago

Lot to unpack there...

First and easiest, if you think there's never been a single instance of a doctor anywhere going to YouTube and typing in "how to ___", you're being incredibly naive. Second, holy straw man what are you even saying in your first point? That completely misses the entire mark with what I originally said. A lecture on YouTube from an accredited source is great. Why is an upload on YouTube your only source for it? Why is it even your primary source? Going back to my world, if I designed a bridge using IBC, I would GO DIRECTLY TO THE IBC. I would ABSOLUTELY not go to YouTube and hope whatever I found matched the IBC. That's completely fucking asinine. Third, if you don't think it's hard to put a YouTube video up that looks real but actually isn't, boy do I have a bridge to sell you...

Look, I get it. I use AI at my job, I use Google, I use YouTube...none of that is the issue. The issue is using YouTube as a primary source. That is a completely asinine thing to do for ANY profession with a lick of liability. Lawyer, doctor, engineer...completely asinine.

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u/Mr_BougieOnThatBeat 11h ago

Again, you seem to be assuming that just because they’re using YouTube to watch the video that it is not a credited source. Anyone can post a video on YouTube but you do realize that universities and medical groups have actual verified accounts right? Not to mention the fact that you can set up private libraries of videos and only allow a subset of people, like licensed professionals, have access to them, all on YouTube. How is that any different from going down to the hospital library and digging through fading medical volumes?

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u/magumanueku 13h ago

You're making a lot of assumptions there. Literally nobody said youtube was their only or primary source (do quote wherever they said that if you can). If you're wrong just admit you're wrong. If you had to resort to putting words in other people's mouth then you're just arguing in bad faith.

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u/iBrowseAtStarbucks 12h ago

Quite literally this entire comment thread is filled with people saying there's some magical ways that doctors can verify current up to date standards via YouTube...if that's not using YouTube as a primary source, I've got no idea what is.

Please, point out any bad faith arguments you've seen here. I'm genuinely curious. I'm being 100% serious when I say that if I had this mentality in my field I would be absolutely crucified if something went wrong. At this point I genuinely have zero idea if this is an actual prolific medical field thing or a reddit moment, but it is genuinely bewildering to me that someone with any amount of liability would take any information from a YouTube video without verifying it with published sources before acting on it.

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u/magumanueku 12h ago

You're still putting words in their mouth. Just because they used Youtube doesn't mean it's their only source. You're so focused on your own bias that you literally are making up stuff. See

if that's not using YouTube as a primary source, I've got no idea what is.

No. No, it is not smh...

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u/happyloman 13h ago

talking about things you don't know in a douchey way

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u/McAnki_Agar 13h ago

It’s not dictating what the doctor does at all. The decision is made based off years of medical experience and then Google/ai/youtube is used to confirm procedural steps.

You know enough about medicine to understand when a source is credible or not. This is not a lay person watching a medically related video.

As an engineer I’m sure you can decide if a video is credible or not. Or at least know a way to decide if it is.

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u/iBrowseAtStarbucks 13h ago

That's wild to me if that's how it's being used. I've got zero idea how fast ideas move in the medical world, but in my world methods change all the damn time. Sometimes yearly, mostly every 5 years or so, and sometimes in drastic ways.

If someone in my industry followed the steps in a YouTube video as their primary source of how to do something they would get absolutely fucking crucified.

Youtube, Google, AI, all great tools for getting you 80% to the answer, but if you aren't going directly to the source of the info/procure, that's fucking asinine. Again, imagine me building a bridge, it falls down, then trying to use that as a defence in court.

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u/McAnki_Agar 12h ago

Alright I tried to relate to engineering to build prospective but I think we’re just in different worlds.

Medical procedures do not change year to year, or even every 10 years. A knee injection is a knee injection. An epidural is an epidural (this technique hasn’t been changed in 30+ years).

There is nothing wrong with looking up “how do you do a paracentesis?” For a video. Especially if you’ve never done before but need to. You’d be a fool to think doctors know how to do every single thing before they get to you. Most of it is done in the way of mentorship and supervision/training - but sometimes it’s an instructional video. Before videos it was asking the other doctor “how do you a transforaminal injection?” And then describing it to you with pen and paper.

Feel what you want to feel but this has always been the way in medicine ^. Sometimes if it’s a surgery or a major procedure companies will fly you out to practice a few times on cadavers and then send someone to help you in the operating room when you’re doing the procedure on your first real patient.

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u/Da_Spooky_Ghost 13h ago

No, there’s industry technique guides on YouTube, Stryker, Arthrex etc all have entire procedures with their unique products on YouTube.

It’s equivalent of watching game film before an NFL game for a player. You look up Stryker total knee on YouTube, you run through the procedure in your head, review every step, picture it in your mind, so when you do the procedure everything is fresh. This should be done when using any product that is new to you.

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u/Embarassed_Tackle 13h ago

i know NYSORA posts their regional anesthesia / nerve block videos on Youtube, they are the gold standard or pretty close

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u/SwimmerMission5212 13h ago

You often do know that for medically geared videos

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u/Upstairs_Fuel6349 13h ago

Wait until you find out that there are whole Youtube channels full of videos done by professional medical societies that have been vetted/peer reviewed. Engineers are probably second only to surgeons when it comes to being experts on things they don't really know anything about lol.

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u/sp1cychick3n 13h ago

Seriously

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u/YnotThrowAway7 13h ago

Somewhat true but a medical journal is peer reviewed, and probably passes a much higher standard of fact than x or y YouTube video that all disagree on the way things are even in medicine.

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u/cultistkiller98 13h ago

How about just stick to the medical journals. YouTube is just a bit unprofessional. I want my doctors to know how to read

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u/PolicyWonka 13h ago

UpToDate.com is a common resource that I’ve seen used.

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u/Hypothetical_Name 12h ago

But if they start asking chat jippity how to do it then I’ll be very concerned

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u/VersaTron 12h ago

YouTube has never been wrong, way more trustworthy than a medical journal

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u/MegaGrimer 8h ago

Medical treatments and procedures can change over time, so it's probably more valuable to look up videos that are more currant rather than looking back at notes from several years passed. Not saying it won't be valuable, but sometimes you need something more currant.

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u/Gsusruls 13h ago

YouTube was modern in 2019.

Why they hell isn't the doctor consulting ChatGPT???

/s

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u/willynillee 13h ago

I’d rather her hear it and see it on video than to have her listen to AI try to describe it to her

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u/Gsusruls 12h ago

Given zero training, I'd prefer youtube.

Given a medical degree, I'd prefer Ai. The Ai will have more thorough, more relevant feedback, and the Doctor's own experience should be able to circumvent any hallucinating and Ai slop that the model outputs.

I use Ai in my own professional work. I'm able to use my expertise and experience to assess the Ai's responses, and yet the responses can guide my decisions and offer me directions to my work.