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u/SL1MECORE 4d ago
I see the vision. Amstel
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u/JohntheFisherman99 4d ago
I also didn't know i was still part of a church. I believe in the holy Bavarian monks. Prost.
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u/ProlactinIntolerant 4d ago
Finally a church where I can get behind...the bar.
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u/Ink_in_the_Marrow 4d ago
Catholicism has found its ultimate form.
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u/-Kopesthetik- 4d ago
From Catholicism to alcoholism
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u/DawnyBrat 4d ago
There never really was a difference. Meanwhile, good ole sticky fingers Father O’Wino hung out in the shrouded box in the corner, but this Brotherhood is quite a lively gaggle. I’ll fetch the Uber. Join us. Everyone.
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u/meatyfajita 4d ago
The least corrupt church ive seen
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u/Better_Peaches666 4d ago
They are upfront, honest, and they're paying direct tributes to those that have since passed, and for people starting their lives.
This genuinely seems wholesome lol
Hopefully it's all being done responsibly lol
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u/Thirsty4Knowledge911 4d ago
This is brilliant!
They found a way to run a bar and claim the tax exempt status of a church.
Where do I sign up?
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u/INoMakeMistake 4d ago
Jesus turned water into wine, so this church makes sense.
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u/DouchecraftCarrier 4d ago
The church my parents go to had some kind of members meeting about whether to allow alcohol at weddings at the church. My dad had to remind them all that providing alcohol at a wedding was literally the first miracle Christ performed.
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u/NebulaNinja 4d ago
Jesus said: Do not get drunk off wine. Meaning every other version of alcohol is ok.
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u/techslice87 4d ago
No he didn't, Paul did. He also told Timothy to use a little wine for stomach ailments. It's about self control
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u/Testerpt5 4d ago
Jesus is sitting next to me we're having a nice smoke, he doesn't recall saying anything about how much one should drink or how to count running mushrooms
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u/TintedApostle 4d ago
In theory this church then turns that wine back into water.... The circle is unbroken....
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u/Ink_in_the_Marrow 4d ago
And the trees well fertilized.
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u/TintedApostle 4d ago
Let it grow, let it grow
Let it blossom, let it flow
In the sun, the rain, the snow
Love is lovely, let it grow
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u/AcademicPainting23 4d ago
You know I used to worship like that too…and then I realized I was an alcoholic.
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u/VantaIim 4d ago
You’re saying you went down the path of alcoholism, but without the free burial deal? Risky.
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u/killer-j86 4d ago
Nuff said I'm in. I mean amen. Got an opener? It's cool I have a bic
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u/MaleHooker 4d ago
I had a friend who used her teeth. Crazy drunk lady
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u/Reallynotspiderman 4d ago
I still do that with my teeth lol. There's a bit of a technique to it - you find the weak spot of the cap, the part with just the tiniest wider-than-normal gap. You then push that part against the ridge of one of your bottom molars and bite.
I've seen people do it the fast way - that is, just getting a firm bite before yanking the bottle hard so the cap comes off immediately - and that's how you get injured. I do it a little slower. Instead of yanking, I just gradually widen the weak spot with the ridge of my tooth by pressing down on the bite. Eventually the cap gives and I have an open bottle
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u/sharkbait-oo-haha 4d ago
This used to be my go to party trick in my 20s, 100/100 times people would be MORTIFIED. Absolute looks of disgust, dispare and anguish.
Didn't get me nearly as many chicks as I thought it would.
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u/Reallynotspiderman 4d ago
Yeah I get like an 80-20 split of people looking horrified versus people cheering. It's a handy trick to have, though
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u/sharkbait-oo-haha 3d ago
I don't even have to do the trick any more, I just announce that I "can do it" and absolute chaos breaks out from friends pleading with me NOT to do it lol
I never could figure out how to open one with a bic
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u/SpiteFueled 4d ago
I hardly ever drink (because I don’t like how it makes me feel and the taste is awful to me), but I would attend this church. They’d bury and marry you for free? This place seems holier than most any churches I’ve ever seen, much in the spirits of worship.
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u/FollowTheEvidencePls 4d ago
The Romans converted because the church combined Jesus with Dionysus by giving him many of the same symbols/dates. Dionysus, the God of wine and drunken revelry.
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u/AC86MC 4d ago
Dionysus is Greek, Bacchus is Roman.
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u/FollowTheEvidencePls 4d ago
True, but by then the Greeks weren't a big deal. And the Roman Gods are all just misremembered/poorly translated Greek Gods.
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u/AC86MC 3d ago
No, Roman God's are far better represented than Greek (typically). Historiography is focused on what you're dismissing. Did you "misremember" through no fault of your own? Your initial error is fine, your attempts at deflecting aren't.
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u/FollowTheEvidencePls 3d ago
"better represented" What does that mean?
The stories were bastardized over time is what I'm saying. Whether it was via mistranslation, misremembering or someone of much lower intellect than the author thinking they could improve it rewriting it, doesn't really matter. Often the original symbolic meaning became inscrutable due to the changes. You can't really alter things like myths and retain the original meaning. There's no fat to trim and adding details only confuses the intent.
It's quite common that people try to improve what they don't understand, same thing happened with Grimm's. If you take their interpretations as a given then the changes can seem like improvements.
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u/JeanArtemis 4d ago edited 4d ago
They did that with many many pagan religions at the time. Pretty much every Christian holiday used to be a pagan one, Easter originally being dedicated to Eostre, goddess of fertility for example (which is where the eggs, rabbits and maypoles came from, all icons of fertility and new life). Plus they stole Hel from the vikingers.
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u/Mockingbird1980 1h ago
False. Easter originated in celebrations of the Passover and feast of Unleavened Bread.
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u/SugarHooves 4d ago
Dionysus/Bacchus was a rock star before rock stars were a thing. I would probably be a Christian if Jesus took on his attributes. I totally get what the Romans were doing.
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u/AConcernedCoder 4d ago
While it's "different" to have alcohol at the center of their ceremonies (depending on your interpretation), religion and alcohol have long been intertangled. It was monks looking to increase their intake during lenten fasting who developed some of the best ales throughout european history. Chimay presently makes ale that has been called the best in the world.
It's mostly in America that we have this weird sense of "I thought christian religion hates alcohol".
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u/Dugen 4d ago
Blame the protestants, especially evangelicals and Baptists. The Catholics typically consider alcohol consumption not a sin if done in moderation. Protestants did the typical protestant thing though and pretty much decided that whatever prejudices they have come from god so if they think it's bad, so does he.
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u/DawnyBrat 4d ago
That’s funny. My ex-husband was from the Church of England (non-practicing), and he’d always be ragging on the Baptists, claiming they were abusive basement dwellers with handles of gin. After living in Atlanta for over 10 years, I realized he was right the whole time…
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u/owwwmyeye 4d ago
Damn I thought they were joking
BBC News - 'We connect with God under the influence of liquor' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-africa-53724453
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u/owwwmyeye 4d ago
Nooooo
"God did anything with the body of Adam while he was on the ground in deep sleep."
"He says it’s important that the fart be near the person’s nostrils so that the “healing power” can enter the body and do its work."
The fact he found people who are willing is terrifyingly impressive
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u/owwwmyeye 4d ago
So fucked up. I'm Zim and I imagine there must be people doing weird shit like this too, to take advantage of vulnerable people
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u/AbilityEqual1891 4d ago
Is, is their main hymn?
In Heaven there is no beer
That's why we drink it here
And when we're gone from here
All our friends will be drinking all that beer
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u/Outta_phase 4d ago
Behold the water that falls from heaven upon our vineyards. There, it enters the roots of the vines to be changed into wine; constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy.
-Benjamin Franklin
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u/NewToHTX 4d ago
If there was a sect of Christianity that essentially was a Tailgate Party every Sunday, that would be a Church with a humongous Church Parking lot.
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u/TophatOwl_ 4d ago
Alcohol has always been a huge part of the church. Most monestaries were also breweries or wineries.
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u/Jadedangel13 4d ago
Took 42 years on this planet but I think I may have found the ideal religion to follow. Hallelujah! Give me another drink!
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u/Queasy-Band-1066 4d ago
Can't say its healthy, but it sure as hell the best church I've ever heard of
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u/Radrouch 4d ago
When the anonymous alcoholics meeting turns religious👀 But hey, at least the burial is for free when you end up on a tree, on your way back from 3 rounds of church service
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u/SharpDrink2724 4d ago
Not this guy. He's a South African propagandist that made a video that tried to shine a good light on Orania, then made a follow-up where he went there with a black man.
For those who don't know, Orania is an Afrikaans town in South Africa that still practices apartheid. Black people aren't allowed to own land or work there, and it's known to be incredibly hostile towards anyone that isn't white and Afrikaans. They even have their own currency and education system.
But yes, the residents will behave when they know that a media personality is coming to film a propaganda piece for them.
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u/Nielsly 4d ago
Why do they have to have the shittest Dutch pilsners on the market though
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u/DarkScorpion48 4d ago
Can’t believe I had to scroll this far for this comment. You can tell the comment section is full of Americans who know nothing about beer
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u/Soft_Philosophy5838 4d ago
The pope who invented this church went to AA, there he came up with the idea.
Clever guy.
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u/SkillPointProblems 4d ago
Hmm, I would probably enjoy service at this church many times more than a regular one.
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u/Sure_Independent3184 4d ago
reminds me of the book hitman anders and the meaning of it all by jonas jonasson lol
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u/DawnyBrat 4d ago edited 4d ago
Beer Bottle Bishop. That’s exactly what my church needed.
Unfortunately, Handsy Father O’Wino wasn’t quite as fun. 😱
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u/Ser_Daniel_The_1st 3d ago
Listen if Jesus’s gift included turning water to wine then I just don’t see why this shouldn’t be the norm.
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u/Bon-Bon-Boo 3d ago
Looks almost like a church that popped up during covid lockdown to get around gathering restrictions and just kept on going 😂
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u/Mother-Complex-4126 3d ago
How this not in American WHERE THEY MISSIONARIES AT THEY GOTTA PUT IN WORK!!!!!!
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u/nobmuncha4bears 2d ago
The difference between a straight man and a willing man is a six pack. So...
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u/taggerbomb 14h ago
This beats the hell out of the nasty haut sauterne we used to sneakily swig as altar boys.
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u/BriefCollar4 5h ago
You know what? This religion thing might not be that bad.
Amstel and R’Amen, brethren.
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u/mildinsults 4d ago
Man made beer. God made weed.
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u/DawnyBrat 4d ago
There’s no other explanation for half the stuff people blindly believe from the bible. Not trying to be disrespectful, but you have to admit there’s some really wild stuff in it.
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u/prinpy27 4d ago
South Africa is not a real country
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u/FantasticBike1203 4d ago
It's the wild wild west out here, even seeing this video for the first time, I wasn't surprised it actually existed lmao.
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u/SpartArticus 4d ago
This isnt heresy its beyond that now
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u/diverareyouokay 4d ago
Jesus turned water into wine, I’m sure he wouldn’t have a problem where two or more are gathered in his name while cracking open a cold one.
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u/SpartArticus 4d ago
Wine in the historical context 2000 years wasn't even alcoholic enough to be classified as liquor now. It was just a way to disinfect water. To get drunk you would have to chug a ton and then puke it out and chug more to get drunk.
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u/tedweird 4d ago
Wine in Ancient Rome tended to be more alcoholic than today's table wines, they cut it with water to make it more palatable. Drunkenness was fairly common trope in stories, see anything related to Bacchus as well as the infamous death of Chrysippus.
I have to guess you got your wires crossed with the concept of the 'vomitorium,' which is wrongly said to be where Romans would purge so they could eat and drink more, but is in actuality the exit of large buildings like stadiums.
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u/secretly_a_zombie 4d ago
Although the classical way was to water it down, the wine of the Romans and Greeks definitely had alcohol in it.
The Greeks could end up with something like 4% or less after watering it down, and were supposed to pace themselves when drinking. Drinking wine was supposed to be a sophisticated act, even punishing those who overindulged.
The Romans initially copied quite a few of those things, but during the late republic and empire, the raging benders, popular drinking games such as commissatio and most scandalous sometimes they did not dilute the wine at all. Several important Roman figures are known drunkards.
Importantly though, this was still looked down upon, and sumptuary laws were passed to try and control these parties. When Julius Ceasar came around, these parties were completely out of control, so much so that there were dinner guards and raids upon parties.
Would Jesus have approved of these parties? If you want you could see the whole Herod v John the baptist as a warning against these parties. He would have likely mixed some Jewish wine drinking traditions with some Roman wine drinking traditions, probably placing more value on the Jewish traditions, which does not permit the sort of revelry that Roman drinking did. But he did not take the Nazarite vow, and he was accused of being a "partyer". He used gatherings as a way of socializing, and had a lot of them, during which he would have drunk wine, watered out wine, in moderation.
I like the Ephesians 5:18 - "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."
I interpret it as, you can get tipsy, alcohol is in some ways an important way to connect with the faith, but you shouldn't get blackout drunk. Which mirrors both Jewish and Greek drinking habits, tying the knot up quite neatly.
So, Jesus would likely have rolled his eyes at this, because he had seen it before from the infamous part of the Roman elite.
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