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u/bidhopper 17h ago
Republican Rick Scott’s company paid $1.7B fine for Medicare fraud. Took the 5th 75 times during deposition and ended up as a Senator.
Fraud seems to pay when you’re a Republican l.
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u/thenikolaka 1h ago
Yeah break it apart a little more and it makes sense. Once they have seen that you’ll plead the 5th when you are absolutely culpable they know they can buy you.
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u/freedfg 17h ago
Yeah.
They're lying.
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u/mikegates90 17h ago edited 14h ago
No they're not. I found some egregious healthcare fraud at my last job (State agency), directly implicated alongside major ongoing HIPAA violations. The irony is that after I traced and investigated the money flow... It actually led directly back to Trump-adjacent parties. Like... the recipient CEO was supposed to be Trump's Secretary of Interior during his first term. The two Federal agencies I reported to have done absolutely nothing... and that was a year ago. The transaction(s) required approval from the Governor's Office... And yes, the originating agency has a history of fraud. The HIPAA complaints have been ignored.
MY THEORY: This is intentional, and it's a win-win for them. Commit the fraud, don't prosecute it, report the numbers publicly, use it to further defund the system being harvested. Get rich.
Investors know that a major market reversal/crash is imminent. The market is being manipulated and artificially inflated short-term. They are shoring up money before the crash to benefit their position. Once it crashes, everyone will be more concerned about the crash than they will about the fraud. High-rate instances of fraud usually always precede major market crashes.
NOTE: I can't reliably prove money actually flowed to that entity, but I CAN prove the blatant funds/policy mismanagement. Once money crosses State lines via passthrough vendors (and the recipient entities usually have multiple LLC's in their corporate structure), it gets almost impossible to trace. That requires forensic auditing, which I do no have the ability/credentials to do. But the key evidence I found looked like a simple typo... until it didn't. So I'm pretty sure I'm right.
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u/GoronSpecialCrop 17h ago edited 16h ago
As much as I hope you're right, I suspect this is another "we found fraud and it's only in the blue states, time to cut their funding" thing.
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u/mikegates90 17h ago
No. This is a red state.
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u/GoronSpecialCrop 17h ago
Is this clarification that you're in a red state where you found the fraud, or that this particular statement regarding the Treasury finding fraud specifies a red state?
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u/mmcmonster 1h ago
Also, it's 17.5 Billion "found". The Health care industry is a $5700 Billion market. They found 0.3 percent in fraud, if they are to be believed.
(Health Care 5.7 Trillion market according to Google, but using the same order of magnitude to make it easier to compare.)
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u/Zealousideal_Pop_273 17h ago
Taxpayers paid $135Bn to the richest man in the world to find this fraud. He couldn't, but not for lack of trying. Instead he just stole healthcare data on every single American.
Now, if this fraud existed at that time, I'm quite sure he would have uncovered it and shouted it from the high heavens in the days that Congress was bearing down on him before he ultimately ran away with our money and data. Being publicly humiliated in the process.
This doesn't pass the sniff test.
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u/Genius-Envy 3h ago
Did he try though? He just gutted what he wanted to gut and made up excuses for it. I don’t imagine there were any meaningful searches for actual fraud.
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u/Educational_Fix9386 17h ago
Finding $17.5 billion in healthcare fraud and acting like it's a win is like finding a missing $20 in your winter coat after losing your entire wallet.
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u/AkronOhAnon 17h ago
Is this the same audit that found Florida’s governor took settlement money and routed it to his wife’s charity?
Because there’s a lot of details and context missing and we could just connect anything we want whenever.
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u/SqigglyPoP 17h ago
LoL these fake numbers they're coming up with in a full panic attack is hilarious.
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u/LakersBroncoslove 17h ago
Trump rapes kids and was convicted of 34 counts of fraud. Trump admin will claim this fraud was in blue states and use it as justification to take healthcare from millions so his Epstein bros can afford more child sex slaves
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u/JWAdvocate83 16h ago
The best I can do is a fucking arch in DC and another couple months of war in Iran.
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u/Daddio209 16h ago
Does that amount include the monies Rick Scott[(R)FL] helped defraud taxpayers out of when he was CEO of Columbia HCA?(largest Healthcare fraud case in US history)
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u/Far-Two8659 15h ago
This is honestly inconsequential. $17.5 billion? Trump just offered $1.3 trillion for midterms and that's only $5,000 per person.
$17.5 billion is 743 times smaller than that. So...
$6.73 per person.
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u/COVID19Blues 15h ago
This administration suspecting anything means that, in reality, it’s 99.9% bullshit.
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u/blknble 2h ago
I love how they wrote it all the way out to the decimal places to make it seem bigger. 17.5 billion is a drop in the bucket at this point, a rounding error.
It's also erroneous. That's how much was flagged as suspicious, not in anyway confirmed as fraud. Plus only a couple major financial institutions accounted for over 20% of that total.
It doesn't even necessarily include things that were paid out and transactions were counted multiple times. Like a flagged provider received $1 million from Medicare, moved it to a shell company, and then wired it to a personal account, a bank might flag all three transactions and count that money 3 times.
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u/Tome_Bombadil 17h ago
And we've already convicted people of Billions of dollars of health care fraud......Trump pardoned them.
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u/tehsecretgoldfish 16h ago
oh gosh, a hard hitting news tweet from a gambling site? show the receipts or stfu.
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u/TacticalKangaroo 16h ago
The us government spends 5,300 billion a year on healthcare. 17.5B in fraud would be a fraud rate of only 0.3%. Which would be pretty darn good. Probably less than the shrinkage rate at any private businesses. So yes, this seems pretty plausible.
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u/PrometheusMMIV 15h ago
Healthcare fraud by who? Doctors, patients, politicians? What does this mean exactly, and what does it have to do with taxes?
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u/Redfish680 13h ago
Perpetrators will pay a fraction of what they stole and issue PR releases that includes something that says they’re not admitting any wrongdoing.
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u/P-Trapper 5h ago
That’s it? Wouldn’t somewhere around 80% of healthcare revenue be fraud if someone actually looked into it? The difference in cost between non insured and insured is like 800%
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u/swren1967 5h ago
That word "suspected" is doing a lot of work in that headline. Remember, these are the same morons who "suspect" that 100 million undocumented immigrants are in our country eating our cats and dogs.
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u/kill3rw33z 17h ago
It's that the number for all the 5k checks with his name on them he's promoting for the midterms
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u/alpha309 17h ago
To put this into perspective. This is 10 Republican Senator Rick Scotts worth of Fraud.
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u/Chuckychinster 17h ago edited 17h ago
Is that 17.5 trillion? Because there isn't that much fraud
Edit: is billion, my eyes are bad
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u/JeaniousSpelur 17h ago
Donald Trump tried to pay Iran $300,000,000,000.00 to end the Iran War, and then couldn’t even end it. Just while we’re making numbers look bigger than they are…
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u/Aetheldrake 16h ago
Kroger spent (sort of) 26 billion dollars in a failed merger.
The only fraudulent activity worth any note is the stuff happening by government officials.
Now, prove it. Show us the records.
Also, suspected is doing A LOT of heavy lifting there.
Also also, didn't someone do the math and find out that for like not even twice this amount of money, everyone could have universal Healthcare "for free"
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u/LeahIsAwake 15h ago
It doesn't surprise me, but it's probably not what most people think.
I work in health insurance, and the rate of customers defrauding the insurance company is very very very low. Especially if they go with government-provided health insurance. The government knows how much you made last year, Nancy, and I have a hard time believing you're making so much less now. Gonna need to see some paystubs now please and thank you.
By far, the vast majority of fraud, is agents writing fraudulent policies without the customer's knowledge.
Every year, like clockwork, we have members calling in who have policies through the Health Insurance Marketplace ("Obamacare") who got notice or something in the mail but never signed up for a policy. The broker will sign folks with very low income up for a policy with a $0 premium, so it never cancels due to non payment. And every month, that broker gets a nice commission payment for a policy their member doesn't even know about.
It's such a big deal that the FFM considered bumping it up so all policies have at least a $5/mo premium, just so it would get caught faster. But then Trump got elected and the bottom fell out for health insurance, so no one can afford it anyway.
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u/Public-Land-8064 15h ago
How much of that was from Senator Rick Scott’s hospital company while he was CEO?
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u/PresentationOpen984 15h ago
Donald Trump Jr is a paid advisor to both Polymarket and Kalashi. Ask yourself what purpose this message serves.
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u/DualActiveBridgeLLC 15h ago
Florida's Senator Rick Scott was CEO of a company that committed the largest Medicare Fraud in history. He was voted in as governor and then senator.
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u/totallyclips 9h ago edited 8h ago
' I want a full tax refund for the last 25yrs' like all the other promises from trump, your checks in the post
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u/wrecklesspup 6h ago
How much of that is Republican Senator Rick Scott from Florida responsible for?
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u/FaithlessnessNo8634 17h ago
I am certainly glad this has been uncovered , as promised by Trump. Draining the swamp and all. HOWEVER, I find it absolutely diabolical that it is so close to the mid term elections. Coincidence? Give me a break.
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u/Jofereal 13h ago
Meh.
Let’s just audit the fed, or sell all the federally-owned land to balance the budget and cover getting back on a metallic (or KWhr) standard.
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u/Lylibean 14h ago
Our tax dollars don’t pay for healthcare (beyond Medicare/aid). I want all the money back I’ve paid into Social Security, because I’ll likely never benefit from it and I’m tired of subsidizing boomers. I’m also tired of subsidizing other peoples’ children’s education and SNAP. I’m childfree, I’m not contributing to the problem. License parenthood and stop forcing women to have kids they don’t want/can’t afford. And it’s pretty damned obvious that American education is a whole ass shit show, I don’t want to support it. Let me vote with my wallet via my tax dollars.
“But that means poor people can’t have children!”
Good! I’ll say again: can’t feed ‘em, don’t breed ‘em. Food, fire, water, shelter. These are the requirements of survival. Nobody’s lifeblood will cease to flow if they don’t have kids. And nobody was brought into this world for the sole task of breeding other humans (yet). It was the selfish desire of the parents, or the lack of responsibility of the parents, or a violent criminal act (aka rape). (They’ll make great parents! 🙄)
“B-b-but children are our future!”
Bet that will age like milk in a decade or so. “The kids are not okay.”
ETA: if poor people are “priced out” of having kids, only the rich can supply worker drones. Or they’ll be replaced with AI.
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u/blknble 2h ago
Ohhh edgey. Casual eugenics are so cool. You're a prime example of the failing education system, no wonder you wouldn't want to support it.
Trying to explain collective infrastructure or basic human empathy to someone who casually suggests state-licensing human reproduction is like trying to explain calculus to a brick wall.
People who think like you are the exact reason the social fabric is decaying in the first place, yet you're so main-character and unaware that you actually think you're the victim. Your take isn't profound, it's just lazy, anti-social spite masquerading as pragmatism.
If your worldview is this deeply rooted in smug apathy and spite, you don't want a conversation, just a megaphone for your own bitterness and casual cruelty. And that's just sad.
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u/EveningFollowing9966 18h ago
Before you think this is good that this fraud was found, remember this is Donald trumps us treasury, and he has been trying to use "fraudulent health care activity" to deny health funds to blue states without evidence.