r/comics Shen Comix 22h ago

OC The Boy From Venus 11

Next episode already up you know where. The house ... ALWAYS wins ...

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u/TheDarkNerd 21h ago

I think Audrey needs a cheese puff.

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u/DarkLanternZBT 21h ago

Me, trying to explain composition and visual storytelling to my class:

LOOK AT THIS SHIT AND UNDERSTAND IT IS PEAK FOR A GODDAM REASON

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u/infiniZii 21h ago

Classic "Walking off into the sunset" kind of vibes too.

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u/MrFuji87 21h ago

Nooo resist

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u/TheDarkNerd 21h ago

Too late, sorry.

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u/Equivalent_Donut_145 18h ago

What have you done

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u/sillygoofygooose 18h ago

look at the state of him all puffed up

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u/Xray_Crystallography 9h ago

How you bean.

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u/TFFPrisoner 21h ago

They should've hugged goodbye 😭

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u/Sudden_Shelter_3477 21h ago

Didn’t you read the last panel? This ain’t goodbye

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u/TFFPrisoner 18h ago

I still wanna see them hug 🤗

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u/milaan_tm 8h ago

You sick mind!

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u/MissSharkyShark 21h ago

Can I have a cheese puff? 😩

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u/TheDarkNerd 21h ago

My bad, I only brought the one.

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u/MissSharkyShark 21h ago

Ok I GOTTA see what Audrey wears to go swimming. Part of me is expecting Audrey to be CHISELED

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u/Zanain 21h ago

I too am wondering, does Audrey wear a shirt while swimming?

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u/CarlLlamaface 20h ago

I mean we can already see those calves and thighs in his skinny jeans (more obvious in previous chapters), it would be more shocking if he's rocking a closet dad bod under those fly outfits.

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u/Winjin Comic Crossover 17h ago

Takes bicycle to work, but eats like your average service person: big thighs, chiseled calves from constant cycling, dad belly from all the carbs in the diet

Don't ask me how I know :'C

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u/lethal_universed 12h ago

BIKINI DEAR GOD PUT HIM IN A BIKINI

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u/BenjaminDover02 16h ago

Bro is probably packing a massive king kong ding dong.

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u/CelloVerp 18h ago

Audrey is pretty uncommon as a boy's name, no?

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u/The_Quintessence 18h ago

It's not his given name it's his chosen name

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u/MissSharkyShark 18h ago

Is it? I’ve honestly never met someone named Audrey now that I think on it

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u/StraightBugggin 18h ago

Yeah, at least in the US Audrey is almost an exclusively female name. Aubrey is similar and it’s historically a male name but it’s became more common for women over time, so that one is more unisex. I just wanted to share for context tehe

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u/arasitar 17h ago

I think I misread it as Aubrey initially since Aubrey is more unisex but generally leans towards 'girl' and I knew a guy named Aubrey.

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u/thatguygreg 17h ago

At least as common as Jody.

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u/CelloVerp 17h ago

Naw Jody is 32% male and 68% female.  Higher percentage in the US South where it's short for Joseph.   

Audrey is 99% female

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u/thatguygreg 17h ago

I spent a lot of time in the south, only ever met one male Jody. 3 male Audries. Maybe VA/NC didn't get the memo, dunno.

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u/MissSharkyShark 16h ago

I live in the Deep South, and have never met a male Jody, and can’t recall ever meeting any Audrey’s (possible I have but forgot)

Where the heck are you where you get all these male Jody’s and Audrey’s lol

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u/thatguygreg 16h ago

VA Tech, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham. Should mention this was 30 years ago.

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u/CrazyFanFicFan 13h ago

His name is Adrian, but he was given the mean nickname of Audrey, which he fully accepted.

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 22h ago

Date success! They had a good time and Val got to patch up a little bit of her painful past.

And we got to see Audrey go absolutely HAM on rhythm games. Goodness SSS first try!

I feel this man. He will never be able to play a game and win again. Git gud son

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u/Accurate-Effect-5896 22h ago

I mean, yeah, but there is « Git Gud » and « Life eraser »

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 21h ago

True, though perhaps he just hasnt found his game yet. I am sure he will

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u/Delphius1 10h ago

everyone has their game, you just gotta find it

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u/DarkLanternZBT 21h ago

He has seen the mountaintop. He has seen the climb that awaits.

Only he knows if it is within him to dare venture forth from the safe harbor.

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u/UnDeadPuff 21h ago

He has seen Mt. Tai and given up on ever reaching enlightenment.

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u/DarkLanternZBT 20h ago

"You know maybe I can open a little bed & breakfast on the first bench. Maybe that's okay."

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u/UnDeadPuff 19h ago

He can be the owner of the noodle shop where there's always a fight.

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u/Zymosan99 20h ago

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 19h ago

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u/PJ_2005_01 19h ago

Permission to download this as a reaction image?

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u/Zymosan99 8h ago

why do you think I made it :)

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u/Zombie_Fuel 18h ago

The duality of man.

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u/ohno-abear 15h ago

In 5 years I'm gonna see this on /r/MatPatEffect huh

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u/TheCraftyGrump 21h ago

The first step to git gud is to see a glimpse of how outclassed you are and to say, "No."
Fail. Fail again. Fail a hundred times. Fail a thousand times if you must. To git gud is not a single achievement, it is a journey.
Props to Audrey, rhythm games go hard into the deed end very quickly. Any game that has a performance rating that goes up to SSS has razor thin margins by that point. With a rhythm game that has SSS ratings it is impressive. Doing it cold on your first try makes it more so.

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u/Saikotsu 19h ago

So true with the journey to git gud.

I am on that journey with League of Legends.

Only recently picked it up and yeah, it's a tough game. I have had my ass handed to me plenty of times, and yet I've watched as I improve bit by bit the more I play. And perhaps more importantly, I don't get salty if I lose or someone else makes a bad play. I just focus on improving and learning from my losses. And if someone gets salty at me, they're muted, I won't hear them rage.

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u/TheCraftyGrump 19h ago

That sounds like the healthy thing to do. I never got into League of Legends personally; mmorpgs, mobas, or any game where the majority of the experience is required to be online. I like not having to worry about still being able to play a game I am invested in if there are connection issues, declining playerbases, or server shut downs. League has apparently gotten a lot better with the toxic players and it has a high skill ceiling. By all accounts it is a good choice for getting to a chance to really challenge yourself.

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u/Saikotsu 19h ago

I tend to prefer offline single player games myself, and interacting with people online gives me anxiety, but somehow I'm making it work with League.

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u/TheCraftyGrump 19h ago

I love it when I find a new game that has offline multi-player; it getting rarer and rarer these days. Online play is the icing on the cake for me. The Dark Souls games have a decent solution with dedicated PvP communities, helping other players, but still not locking you out of anything you can't (sloooooowly) get by yourself offline.

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u/xXDJjonesXx 21h ago

He looks like the Cruelty Squad guy if he turned his glasses into cat ears.

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u/orig_cerberus1746 21h ago edited 21h ago

I don't think it was his first time at the game, he just outright ignored the dude and straight up went to the max setting because he was probably already familiar with the game, or at least very familiar with the genre

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u/Cyb3r-R0nin 19h ago

I'm assuming they meant first try as in they only played once that session

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u/throwawaymentality10 21h ago

This is me when i realize people are able to play rhythm games at 4x the speed i play on. Which consists of FnF.

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u/ithinkther41am 20h ago

The expression gave me major unfins vibes.

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u/RollinThundaga 21h ago

I'm surprised his face wasn't degloved.

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u/100YearsWaiting2Shit 16h ago

I was looking forward to his reaction so so much and I wasn't disappointed

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u/Delphius1 10h ago

I really gotta say, every character has so much, character, there is such a feeling how much they are as people than characters. It feels like the lab I work at; Mr super divorced but also super dad, guy who got a promotion 10 years early because everyone else retired and has been holding on, hyper genius ace girl, biker chick who has her PhD in nanomachinary and makes board games, and guy who invented stuff with modern vacuum tubes, and so on

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u/Goban3 21h ago

10/10 gay little demon outfit

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u/astralseat 21h ago

Whole series in that outfit required

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u/Cool_Set4681 21h ago

I'm like very clumsy and my gross motor skills suck as well as my hand-eye coordination.

But when I play games, I turn into this (not meant as a brag, I wish I were like this all the time)

Also next episode will be the BEACH episode, yay 🥳

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u/Dazed_and_Confused44 21h ago

Classic anime beach episode filler haha

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u/Cool_Set4681 21h ago edited 21h ago

Oi, the good ones turn the beach episode into canon, alright? They are rare but they do exist 😂

Like Assassination Classroom, for example

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u/Dazed_and_Confused44 21h ago

Ah Assination Classroom. The show most famous for producing one of the best anime femboys of all time

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u/Exciting_Policy8203 21h ago

Don’t lewd the alien

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u/Cool_Set4681 21h ago edited 21h ago

Edit: Deleted my spoiler again

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u/Exciting_Policy8203 21h ago

Guy, don’t spoil the alien

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u/Cool_Set4681 21h ago

You know what? You are right. I will edit the comment.

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u/Jacob_Laye 20h ago

With the school year starting again, the reread of this series needed to commence

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u/Cool_Set4681 20h ago edited 19h ago

Yeah, I read when it was being published. Maybe it is time for my first reread.

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u/NotVeryTastyCake 17h ago

Oh man, I never finished watching that one. Gotta re-watch

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u/Cool_Set4681 17h ago

You are in for a treat, my friend.

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u/NotVeryTastyCake 17h ago

I've only watched the first season about 6 years ago. I didn't continue because I was watching it on YouTube and the second season was deleted from there for copyright reasons. At the time I didn't k ow there were dedicated websites (official and not) for watching anime. Now if would really want to watch it, I'd probably download it and save on my hard drive. I remember I liked it

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u/GuitarFlashy 19h ago

Avatar's beach episode (The Beach) was awesome. The second one was fun too.

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u/Dazed_and_Confused44 19h ago

I forgot Avatar has a beach episode haha

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u/Cool_Set4681 19h ago

(They were playing volleyball)

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u/Cool_Set4681 19h ago

Young me was crazy for Ty Lee and imminently looked for pictures online after that episode 😂

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u/RedditUser000aaa 21h ago

I'm excited to see how Val will do, given how she wears baggy casual grey clothes to both in an attempt to avoid harassment from men and to also hide her body, because she believes that she is ugly.

Well, she's got Audrey to cheer her up, I mean... Audrey already got Val to buy something she normally doesn't wear and Val also said she felt good wearing those clothes.

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u/Cool_Set4681 21h ago

Now I low-key feel bad since I only thought how Audrey will handle it but I didn't thought about how Val will feel and how much more difficult it would be for her :/

But, yeah, after you mention it, I hope that Audrey will keep his eye on that girl.

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u/RedditUser000aaa 21h ago

Audrey is a pretty good wingman, I'm sure, he'll be able to encourage Val to wear something without being pushy about it! I'd consider it a win if Val gets enough courage to wear a casual beach outfit, no swimming attire.

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u/Cool_Set4681 21h ago

I'd consider it a win if Val gets enough courage to wear a casual beach outfit, no swimming attire.

Yeah, same. Honestly just her showing up at all is already a win in my book.

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u/Wild_Marker 20h ago

I used to be like you, then I got an arrow to the knee old. Also arthrosis. I can still occasionally turn into "this" but my goodness it hurts for a whole week afterwards.

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u/Cool_Set4681 20h ago

It is really a mystery to me. You could throw a ball at me and I will move my arms after the ball hit my face.

But none of my friends want to play Smash Bros with me ever again 😂

(But, yeah, I'm getting old, too. "This" is also becoming more difficult for me)

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u/Delphius1 21h ago

calling it now, Audrey is some kind of spirit

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u/Cool_Set4681 21h ago

Gut feeling or do have a reason for it?

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u/Delphius1 20h ago

bit of both, he's clearly 'not like other boys', but also hyper compitent and thoughtful way beyond what's possible for his age, and to be honest, no femboy/twink I've ever met is like this

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u/Cool_Set4681 20h ago edited 20h ago

he's clearly 'not like other boys'

Well you are definitely right about that part. And the rest doesn't sound too far fetched, too. Maybe you are on to something.

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u/PapaBeer642 20h ago

...is Audrey Val's Clarence?

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u/Longjump_Ear6240 20h ago

I trip over my own feet constantly and bump into walls every day. But I can absolutely ANNIHILATE rhythm games like this. Its so nice having representation lol

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u/Cool_Set4681 20h ago edited 20h ago

Maybe we need to make a club or something... but none of us is skilled enough to put up a banner and put up posters 😭

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u/Made_Bail 22h ago

Watching Audrey play like

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u/TheDarkNerd 21h ago

I think I may need to resub just because of Shen's gay little devil outfit.

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u/astralseat 21h ago

Would not be the first tempted

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u/RedditUser000aaa 21h ago

Of course Audrey had some hidden natural talent there. That poor guy with the bunny ears. Swimming episode, can't wait to see how that goes!

Hopefully Val will be able to overcome her insecurities and be able to wear swimming attire! Or at least some nice clothes if she doesn't like swimming. Can she even swim, tho?

Nice to see that Val is healing bit by bit! Also good on Audrey for taking the initiative and inviting her to swim!

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u/ApplicationBrave2529 21h ago

There's no way thats natural talent. Audrey was all too familiar with those menus and knew what he was getting into. He's no lifed that game before for sure.

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u/GVmG 19h ago

yeah nah he full comboed it (while saying he "missed a couple"? then it wouldn't say full combo with the perfect rank on screen audrey cmon stop messing with us lol) first try, on the hardest thing in the game. you can only carry over so much skill between different rhythm games, audrey has thousands of hours on this specific game lmao

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u/gbyakko 18h ago

Just a heads up: Audrey says, "I almost missed a couple there".

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u/GVmG 18h ago

My bad I read it too fast, I was too invested lmao

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u/gbyakko 18h ago

No worries, I get it lol

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u/RedditUser000aaa 20h ago

I mean... He asked in the last comic about the game and seemed unfamiliar with it. Would be tad of a weird reaction to a game he's played before.

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u/thebetrayer 20h ago

Femme people would never downplay their skills in public /s

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u/houseofmicrobes 21h ago

Omg Audrey and Val hanging out some more?!!!

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u/Equivalent_Donut_145 21h ago

Shen, I admire your confidence.

But I'm one step ahead of you.

Unemployment.

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u/astralseat 21h ago

The uno reverse of requesting patronage

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u/thesoulfield 20h ago

better watch your back. you just made gay little devil shen's short list.

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u/Kelimnac 17h ago

Next Patreon ad is Shen sitting with the collective audience at a job interview, so that he can get our dollar after we land the job

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u/Rum_N_Napalm 22h ago

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u/komododave17 19h ago

I was expecting an alternate panel 14

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u/ThePreybird 20h ago

Not just Dead Meat but a Zoran gif? Peak

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u/SlapTheBap 21h ago

This is my favorite thing shen has done. It's cute. The art has been evolving over the years showing real effort. Same with the writing, which was not exactly experienced in that it seemed immature, as in you had room to grow.

Big improvements all around, which I love to see in any artist. Great stuff.

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u/melancholanie 21h ago

BEACH EPISODE LET'S GOOOOOO

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u/SamuraiCarChase 21h ago

“Also me but in a gay little devil outfit” jfc I’m dying.

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u/astralseat 21h ago

The best panel

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u/Clean_Juggernaut3890 21h ago

Audrey went full interfacing

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u/Kosmeat 18h ago

Disco Elysium is truly a unique experience

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u/Xenomorphian69420 21h ago

Audrey next chapter most likely

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u/Lime_dragon100 15h ago

I literally thought the same lol, especially since Audrey very vaugely looks like Reze

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u/Xenomorphian69420 13h ago

The hair loopy is very characteristic

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u/astralseat 21h ago

Is that Reza? Or the girl from Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad?

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u/Delphius1 21h ago

this entire comic with Val and Audrey is a checklist of popular romance genres gay AND straight ✔️ role reversal ✔️ femboy ✔️ tsundere ✔️ gaming ✔️ femcel ✔️

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u/Atsubro 20h ago

Is femcel a romance genre?

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u/Delphius1 20h ago

yes, one of the more mild ones

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u/ebx978 20h ago

It seems 711 Shattered Expectations has made great strides in his training

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u/oicnow 17h ago

r/unexpected82WhiteChainBorninEmptinessReturnstoSubdueEvil

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u/ebx978 15h ago

love

I feel like he deserves a better name though

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u/EV-187 21h ago

Val: not ready to be seen in a swimsuit but suddenly VERY interested in seeing Audrey in a swimsuit. 

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u/Program-Emotional 21h ago

BEACH EPISODE!!!!

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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u/SWatt_Officer 18h ago

this feels elf-adjacent and i cant really explain why

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u/MsMegane 15h ago

I could see him showing up in the Steven Universe Beach City arcade (and feeling just as defeated).

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u/FakeGamer2 21h ago

Love Val

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u/BattleAngel13 18h ago

Interfacing:Legendary [Success]

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u/B-Z_B-S 21h ago

Oh, I've never been this soon to one of Shen's comics. Thanks for your work! Hope you have a good day.

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u/NameLips 21h ago

Wait... is this just an excuse to draw them in swimsuits?

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u/DoubleSpoiler 21h ago

Of COURSE they destroy at rhythm games lol

I really should have seen that coming

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u/LuquidThunderPlus 15h ago

Are there hints in previous comics I'm forgetting?

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u/-Silent-Stalker- 21h ago

OMG IM A SHIT GAMER BUT IM AN AUDREY AT RYHTHM GAMES

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u/aidankocherhans 21h ago

A man who can compete with her gaming skills while not looking down on her?

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u/luissteam 21h ago

The gay Little Devil outfit did it. I held for so long..

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u/jrkirby 20h ago

How dare you open a parenthesis and just... not close it! xkcd 859

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u/Dazed_and_Confused44 22h ago

The swimming one kinda surprises me cuz this seems like something that would cause Audrey discomfort, if not outright dysphoria

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u/Aethelrede 21h ago

What is the accepted term for someone like Audrey?  Used to be transvestite, but that's out of date.  Femboy is crass unless the person self identifies as one?  Cross-dresser?

Also, men who dress in women's clothes are no longer part of the trans community, I learned recently.

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u/Supercoolguy7 21h ago

If you wanted to label Audrey presentatiom then gender nonconforming would be the one that appears most likely to apply. Cross dresser is also potentially an option, but that kind of implies intent that hasn't been expressed in the comic so far (it's just his "style" is what he's said so far).

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u/Aethelrede 21h ago

Ah, gender nonconfirming.  Got it.

It woukd be nice if our culture reached the point where men wearing "women's" clothing were just called men, but we aren't there yet.  Men like Audrey may not be trans in a medical sense, but transphobes won't care.

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u/Supercoolguy7 21h ago

I mean we kinda are. The comic explicitly stated that Audrey was a man who just had this style.

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u/Aethelrede 21h ago

Yes, but to pretend that this is true in general is to ignore the very real danger that gender non conforming men face.  The fact that they identify as men is irrelevant to transphobes.

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u/Supercoolguy7 20h ago

No one is pretending bigots don't exist, but right now we're in a place where we can just call Audrey a man, and we are.

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u/dumnezero Art enjoyer 21h ago

I'm not sure, but I think the term is feminine-presenting.

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u/koobstylz 21h ago

I would say GNC (gender non conforming) male if you had to put them in a box.

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u/Moppo_ 21h ago

For good or for ill, it's a normal thing for people to categorise things. If I had to guess, it makes it easier for the mind to quickly recognise and identify things.

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u/Aethelrede 21h ago

Because there's obviously a label for men who dress feminine but identify as male, and I am curious as to what it is.  If he were a real person I'd ask him, but he's not, so I asked in comments.

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u/Dazed_and_Confused44 21h ago edited 21h ago

This is true. Although people's gender journey is not always linear. I don't think its impossible that at some point in this series, Audrey chooses to identify as nonbinary or transfem

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u/gmarvin 21h ago

They just said it's not impossible, they didn't assume anything.

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u/Dazed_and_Confused44 21h ago

Im not arguing that it is Audreys choice. Im simply speculating on the direction the comic may go

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u/Noe_b0dy 21h ago

I mean Audrey is a guy who likes wearing women's clothes so he could just wear a women's swimsuit?

They make those weird ones that look like short dresses even.

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u/Dazed_and_Confused44 21h ago

I would expect a swimsuit thats more dress like than a straight up bikini. We shall see

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u/Kinkajou1015 Comic Crossover 21h ago

Oh lord, the middle panel on the preview for the next comic, the way it looked at first glance makes me think Audrey said, "[UnintelligibleScribble] We Fuck."

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u/ApplicationBrave2529 21h ago

Anyone else really hope Val drops the "Moid" thing soon?

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u/RogueWhisker323 17h ago

Made my eyes roll hard, foid and moid are the new uwu and noms.

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u/gingerquery 14h ago

it's worse, bc uwu and noms are couched in whimsy, but foid and moid are based in self-loathing

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u/RogueWhisker323 14h ago

True, I didn't them to equate to the same meaning. Just that it's a set of modern slang that makes me think "yeah, I'm done on this conversation" as soon as I hear someone use it lol

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u/Secundus-Muris 20h ago

Do you wanna go swimming?

I hope the next chapter doesn't awaken anything in me

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u/Quiet-Software-1956 20h ago

Just turned into Shiva for Hatsune Miku's sake

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u/Arstya 16h ago

Aight Shen now I'm curious how you're gonna dress Audrey in a swimsuit.

Like does he still just wear shorts? If boy turns up in a girl's swimsuit I might squee to death.

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u/Lolerzors 21h ago

Yoooo Jubeat spotted or atleast I think you drew legally distinct jubeat 

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u/gnagniel 21h ago

Hmm, okay, you got me. I'll sign up IF you tell me how to make sure my money goes to the one in the gay little devil outfit.

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u/iMightBeACunt 21h ago

This is my absolute favorite and I would die for these two. Really loving this 😍

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u/robodex001 21h ago

Damn this one is a GOLDMINE of reaction images. Especially panels 3 and 7.

Yoink.

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u/Drezby 20h ago

I love how Audrey just began rolling with the shockingly tolerable part. Bzzt.

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u/Outlet_Sun 20h ago

Where are their shopping bags?

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u/Transgirlonakawasaki 20h ago

Omfg we getting a beach episode???

LETS GOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

You may make a patreon sub outta me yet shen….

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u/iWillNeverBeSpecial 18h ago

Where's the link for the gay little devil outfit? I want to give money, but on the side of evil

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u/-N0N 18h ago

Oh so when she said she didn't know Val swung that way, she really did mean she thought Val was a big ol' lesbian.

Fair.

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u/Dead_NOTsleeping 17h ago

Wait, the gay little devil outfit doesnt even get me the patreon? You just wear a gay little devil outfit for a dollar?

....why am I almost tempted...

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u/NeroShenX 16h ago

Audrey hittin' that flow state in 4

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u/PrimaryBowler4980 16h ago

Wtf shen, I pay for the comic but have to come here to see you in a gay lil outfit?

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u/Reilly-Blog 21h ago

Omg a beach episode!

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u/CaptainLaucian 21h ago

Shen! I am loving this comic. These two are adorable!

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u/LeonidasVaarwater 21h ago

I feel some tension there...... the good kind....

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u/SarcasticBench 21h ago

Swimming? In a hoodie and sweats

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u/doctorbanjoboy 21h ago

Are we getting a beach episode?!?

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u/Elenirso 21h ago

Curses here's my dollar!

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u/MissNouveau 21h ago

Watching Val grow in little baby steps during this gives me So Much Joy

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u/AnEldritchWriter 21h ago

Loving this friendship. And “shockingly tolerable” let’s go!! that’s improvement!

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u/GrassTouchEnthusiast 21h ago

DO YOU WANNA WHAT?!?!?!? DO YOU WANNA WHAT?!?!?!?