r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/MGLLN • 21h ago

Could probably hear the “FOH!!” from space

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u/NeverNotOnceEver ☑️ 21h ago

In what way is his being black relevant?

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u/thecatsclause 21h ago

people are more likely to protect members of their own race, even if they're clearly in the wrong. if it were an all-white jury, she might have gotten through no problem.

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u/Forty86 21h ago edited 11h ago

I believe his stubbornness has to do with how the trial would go if she were a black woman. More than likely she would go to prison without a second thought, but in this case she could go to a psych ward for life. Which isn’t necessarily better than prison forever, but if thats the reason why he refused to change then it makes sense.

I appreciate the awards yall but this is just me trying to make sense of his position. Do not take it as fact. I’d prefer if we’d focus on fixing the system that has failed so many.

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u/NeverNotOnceEver ☑️ 20h ago

While likely true about a black woman being found guilty, the goal for the justice system shouldn’t be harsher treatment for white people (bc we will get it even worse) but fairer treatment for us.

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u/ben10toesdown 20h ago

Not even just likely true. Sentenced to 2 life sentences by the exact same judge.

https://www.theroot.com/as-lindsay-clancy-s-case-ends-in-mistrial-this-black-m-2000124546

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u/fuckyoudigg 20h ago edited 20h ago

That trial is being reopened is my understanding based on what transpired in the Clancy trial.

Edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/03/us/lindsay-clancy-latarsha-sanders-retrial.html

I should have added a source to begin with.

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u/surferdude7227 18h ago

Yeah, the judge excluded her mental health evaluations post arrest “unless the prosecution opened that door”.

Judge fucking sucks, but at least they are taking another look at it. She doesn’t need a cell. She needs help.

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u/happymancry 16h ago

Not mutually exclusive. She should get help but should also stay away from general society if this is what her mental illness can make her do.

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u/lilbelleandsebastian 14h ago

i mean yeah, whenever someone gets off with an insanity plea that doesn't mean they get released back into gen pop lol

they get put in a state run psych ward for the long haul just like andrea yates

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u/RaindropBebop 8h ago

In Mass they're evaluated as to whether they're a danger to society or themselves. If not, they're released. The minimum stay before an evaluation is 40 days. I'm sure that's exceedingly rare for patients like this, as the state would petition for extensions, but the fact that it's possible is concerning.

I feel for people with mental health problems, but her command voice defense that only materialized once for a short while to murder her children and never returned, and which she mentioned to no one until the defense lawyer's creepy friend visited her in the hospital days later is too convenient and too flimsy. The fact that the husband had to ask about the children when she was lying outside after the psychosis had reportedly abated, instead of her telling him to check on them and hoping that what she thinks just happened in a psychotic haze didn't just happen is too unbelievable.

I watched the entire trial, and I think she was certainly mentally ill, but absolutely not psychotic. She methodically planned and executed the murders and planned to commit suicide and she deserves jail. It was not an evil voice that took over her body and overpowered her better judgement in a single, impulsive moment of psychosis.

Maybe not life, but in my opinion, she certainly doesn't deserve to possibly be out on the streets in years let alone months.

Based on the other comments in defense of her NGRI plea, I'm expecting to get downvoted to hell, but it is what it is. If they watched the entire trial, then I respect their opinion all the same. That just goes to show how divisive this trial was.

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u/happymancry 14h ago

If insanity is proven then I’d be ok with that - but then I’d also want all other similar cases - whether the defendant be men/women, black/white, whatever - receiving the same due process.

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u/lilbelleandsebastian 13h ago

it doesn't matter what you're okay with, that's just literally the law and what happens. you seem like a bot, i mean who is arguing against due process in this thread or anywhere lol

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u/happymancry 13h ago

I mean, if you look a little bit higher in the threads they’re discussing how men (dads) and black women have had much harsher sentences and near-zero deliberation about mental health as a factor… but do go on about how anyone who doesn’t agree with you being a bot.

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u/ratwithawig 12h ago

well i mean dads cannot experience post-partum psychosis which is the crux of this entire trial. also, yes black women are treated horribly in basically every institutional system, why is that a reason to be harsher than you should be situationally instead of more fair in the future to all?
also, i don’t understand why people think she’d go free with a successful insanity plea at all. it’s literally just determining whether you’ll spend your sentence in a psych hospital (given the attempt to treat mental illness) or a prison, which would create compounding issues in the future especially in the case of psychosis-related issues.

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u/surferdude7227 14h ago

Oh yeah no, 100%.

Not guilty by reason of insanity just means that the person can get the mental health support they need. They’re still probably going to be locked up for a loooong time.

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u/Commercial-Co 11h ago

I dont think they should be called Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity - i think it should be Guilty Due to Reasons of Insanity.

And i think even if you’re not going to jail, you should receive a term that you serve out. If “cured” of mental illness, i think you should still serve out the term in a rehab style prison. If not cured, you stay in mental hospital.

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u/zefen 20h ago

That’s a whole ass different argument from the conversation at hand and from à comment below, it’s getting addressed (idk if it is tho, I’m busy eating before court)

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u/Worried_Mirror_355 18h ago

Judge doesn't decide if she's guilty or not though?

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u/CertainInteraction4 17h ago

Evidence heard can change  the whole reasonable doubt premise though.  Disallowing evidence hinders fairness.

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u/ben10toesdown 17h ago

Moreso to point out that this case happened in the exact same state/county and not in a completely different state like Texas & what u/CertainInteraction4 noted about evidence.

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u/JohnnyRelentless 14h ago

The article also includes a black woman who killed her 2 children and who did get found not guilty by reason of insanity and lives in a mental institution.

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u/Latter-Rooster3563 20h ago

This! Harsher is not the answer. I think all BIPOC should be given as much grace as yt people are.

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u/jackheavy 20h ago

I agree in principle, but principles aren’t always put into practice. The current practice is that we get harsher punishment. I think enough harsher punishment for white people will eventually result in fairer treatment for us. If the current circumstances have reiterated anything, it’s that white people don’t care until it is happening to them.

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u/Competitive_Swan_130 15h ago

Why would you believe this when it has never happened before?

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u/SpaceballDarth 16h ago

Before I add my 2¢, I just want to say that I 100% agree with you. The American justice system has been exposed, for YEARS, as unfair, especially when it comes to BIPOC and wealth. I don’t think harsher sentences for white people is going to correct this, I think it will make it worse for BIPOC. If we ever have a justice system that doesn’t exploit the poor and working class, (which I don’t see happening under capitalism), there may be a chance that could happen. But as long as the racist/bigot/sexist wealthy folks, continue to run the show and write the laws to benefit themselves, it will not be fair.

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u/Rare-Television-8854 7h ago

Nope. Has little to do with wealth. Upper middle class black and brown folks get railroaded all of the time. I’ve been a lawyer for more than 20 years and am a literal (though low) millionaire, yet I still shudder every time I see a cop in my rear view mirror.

Why? Won’t my wealth, advanced degrees and pedigree/social status get me out of mortal danger because of that whole class-not-race mumbo, jumbo (respectfully) you appear to be blathering on about?

Nope. Cause at the end of the day, the system cares not about my education or net income. (Ask any black person you trust.) It doesn’t check my bank statements and stock portfolio. And if it did, I might actually be in more danger depending on where I happen to be in the country.

It’s not a class thing; it’s a race/racist thing.

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u/redditizms ☑️ 18h ago

That’s a fact!

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u/Rare-Television-8854 7h ago edited 7h ago

This.

White people don’t really care and take action until it starts happening to them on a large, system-wide scale.

You’d have to be an absolute racist as a white person to admit or even believe that BIPOC shouldn’t be treated equally under the law after admitting the obvious—i.e., that we aren’t and never have been. But that’s the easy part. It takes virtually no effort at all.

White folks merely acknowledging the obvious problem does nothing for me and other BIPOCs. Empty platitudes don’t achieve justice for all of us under the law.

But let a bunch of white folks start getting treated like black and brown people by the criminal “justice” system and sentenced to football numbers, and then we’ll achieve actual, lasting change.

Until that happens, it’s just more of the same—tantamount to a bunch of “thoughts and prayers” after a mass shooting. 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/retrosenescent 13h ago

It especially will have to happen to white women, who currently receive the most lenient sentences out of everyone. White men already receive disproportionately harsh sentences compared to white women, and still nothing is done about it. You have to slaughter the sacred cow.

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u/Forty86 20h ago

If he held out because of how things would go for another person of a different skin tone or sex, his reasoning makes sense. This does not mean his actions are correct/incorrect. This is a reflection of a faulty justice system because if you can kill anyone unprovoked, there is something wrong with you mentally. The justice system is not designed to treat or rehabilitate anyone, it’s a strict punishment for profit system.

With that being said, if we are only going by the laws/practices that are already put into place, looking at prior planning to kill her children, and sending her husband away while she committed the acts.
That’s premeditated, which means she should be found guilty of capital murder/first degree murder.

TLDR: The justice system needs reformation to help people. However, under the current laws she’s should be found guilty of first degree murder.

Also, don’t feed into the divisive political stances or social wars that cases like this are being used for.

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u/micro_satsuma 14h ago

There was testimony from an expert that premeditation is still possible while undergoing psychosis, so maybe that alone isn't grounds for conviction because there's still reasonable doubt.

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u/MutedRage 20h ago

Right or wrong, we only get there if their outcomes look like ours.

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u/Forty86 20h ago

Peacefully, this is the only way to get there. But you can also get there with civil unrest that isn’t scared of violence.

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u/go4urs 19h ago

When/where is proof of this?

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u/Forty86 17h ago

If you’re asking me for proof of when violence frees the oppressed, I’d suggest opening any history book that talks about Iran, South Africa, U.S., China, Japan. Like idk where to start.

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u/wafswafs 18h ago

That is not what happens with a hung jury, though. It's a retrial.

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u/MutedRage 17h ago

Sure. He was one person. He did what was within his power.

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u/Worstmodonreddit ☑️ 16h ago

He's not asking for "harsher" just equal

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u/GardenOfIvy 17h ago

Who said anything about harsher treatment for white people? Is the idea of a white person getting the same treatment as a non white person harsh?

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u/Internal_Style6581 18h ago

Yeah and you get their by empathy. Treating white folks like black folks will change the fuck out of policing.

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u/NeverNotOnceEver ☑️ 14h ago

ICE shot and killed a white woman last year. What changes came out of that?

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u/Dramatic_Explosion 15h ago

Yeah, lots of "should" and "shouldn't" existing in the world right now, especially from the justice system.

Our president shouldn't have raped kids. The DOJ should prosecute him and others for doing it. The Supreme Court shouldn't have said whatever he does is legal.

But we have to live in the world we have. The entire system failed up to the point she killed them, and we're not fixing that either.

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u/luckydice767 15h ago

That’s a beautiful thought, friend. I wish more people believed the same.

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u/Equivalent-Scar-7944 12h ago

please be quiet with allat! Blk ppl get it worse no matter what the hell other ppl get. We just fucked, no matter what, with these racist ass bias white people. Give her the death sentence! She ain' worth no prison cell! She strangled three damn babies. she need to pay for it! End of goddamn story!

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