IIRC, this gathering happened months after the Obama Administration declassified parts of the 911 report revealing the Saudis helped fund Al Qaeda. Trumps hate is only for the Muslims that can't line his pockets.
Trumps hate is only for the Muslims that can'tanyone who doesn't line his pockets.
That's really it. If he can't make billions, he doesn't care if you even live. He's here for the grift. And an entire chunk of Americans are stupid enough to fall for the grift.
If he can't make billions, he doesn't care if you even live.
Need to get a few things straight.
One, you're vastly overestimating how much it takes to bribe people in this administration. Second, it doesn't have to be money, it can be praise and fealty if you're otherwise 'important' enough, such as a major CEO. And third, he still doesn't care if you live. Only that the subservience, cowtowing, and tithes keep coming. It's why he'll turn on someone who doesn't completely follow his line even if they're still just as valuable as they were before.
Fuck, I don't want to defend this, but accuracy matters: it wasn't Saudi Arabia that helped formally, it was a "technically part of the royal family but not remotely having power in government" family member of the over 1000 family members of the extended Saudi royalty that sent money to bin Laden for an unclear purpose - for all we know he might have just been trying to make sure bin Laden ate a healthy breakfast. Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty sure it was exactly what you're saying, but we don't have even circumstantial evidence of that which could hold up in court.
It's very different from MBS ordering Kashoggi's death or their involvement with Kushner being clearly corrupt.
Now, we could argue all day that it was the government acting through a lesser agent, but that's speculative and unhelpful. The real problem is that a racist fear-mongering pedophile kissed their ass for money as a US office holder that was explicitly forbidden from doing so, and then ignored their murder of someone for a cash payment that their own government didn't want to give to an unproven hedge fund, making it very clear it was hush money.
Trumpeters overcome the hypocrisy by having different statements that take precedence over others that allow them to switch from one track of reason to another. While “all non-whites are bad” is one “Donald Trump is beyond reproach” is another. When the two are in conflict, the latter one will take precedent. When you talk to a trump supporter during this logic switch, it’s like talking to an animal that you are trying to coax out of hiding. It’s because they have retreated there.
“Facilitated” makes it sound like they let them stay in their shed while they waited. The attack was Saudi planned, Saudi funded, Saudi led, and most of the hijackers were Saudi. It was a Saudi attack
But they give Trump money, let him build hotels and let him touch their shiny balls, do they must be okay. Mamdani was a kid but according to the maga minions he is personally responsible for 911
He's the same as every other leader you fucktards conveniently ignore.
Keep publicising him. Reddit has done nothing to him other than promote him daily for 15 fucking years. How is that working out? Pretty good for him so far.
From the standpoint geopolitics and international terrorism, yes, religion is irrelevant and which nation facilitates said terrorism is more important.
Oh my brain completely skipped over the “than” yes these connections do matter lmfao. In this case Bin Laden was just some guy who got rich in a petro state and his national identity drove his ideology, but he wasn’t a government project or anything like that afaik
If we're blaming all Muslims then we can also just blame the Christians and the Jews. You all work from the same source material, you all use the same faulty logic to assert your fantasies. You are all equally culpable if all Muslims are culpable.
That's the problem with people's mentality that gets manipulated. These were terrorists that hijacked the planes and did what they did. How can you be so ignorant to assume the entire race in existence is also a terrorist?
This is one of the most exhausting parts of being gay/lesbian/bi/trans/polyamorous/etc.
You must always be perfect. At all times. To everyone. Your hair, your clothes, your weight, because you can’t just be you. You are now a representative of the group to the outside world. If your hair is messy, “I should have known you were in the alphabet mafia looking like you just got out of bed. Can’t even take care of yourself.”
You can never have a bad day and the pressure is exhausting. You get laid off from work, your girlfriend leaves you, and someone shoulder checks you and says, “Move it F-slur”, you can’t just yell at them to fuck off, everyone will think lesbians are psychos. “She must be the butch one… roid rage” You have to smile and apologize while inside you just want to snap. But no. You must always be prim and proper and a model citizen because it’s not just your life on the line. There are thousands if not millions of trans men and women whose future rights are resting on you being able to keep your calm under pressure
And it fucking SUCKS
Millions of monogamous relationships fail and you never see (sane) people saying monogamy doesn’t work. But a couple hundred polyamorous relationships fail and everyone goes on about how polyamory can never work. You must always set a perfect example for everyone everywhere at all times
Similar to America Ferrera’s speech in the Barbie movie, which I love.
“It is literally impossible to be a woman. You are so beautiful, and so smart, and it kills me that you don't think you're good enough. Like, we have to always be extraordinary, but somehow we're always doing it wrong.
You have to be thin, but not too thin. And you can never say you want to be thin. You have to say you want to be healthy, but also you have to be thin. You have to have money, but you can't ask for money because that's crass. You have to be a boss, but you can't be mean. You have to lead, but you can't squash other people's ideas. You're supposed to love being a mother, but don't talk about your kids all the damn time. You have to be a career woman but also always be looking out for other people. You have to answer for men's bad behavior, which is insane, but if you point that out, you're accused of complaining. You're supposed to stay pretty for men, but not so pretty that you tempt them too much or that you threaten other women because you're supposed to be a part of the sisterhood.
But always stand out and always be grateful. But never forget that the system is rigged. So find a way to acknowledge that but also always be grateful. You have to never get old, never be rude, never show off, never be selfish, never fall down, never fail, never show fear, never get out of line.
It's too hard! It's too contradictory and nobody gives you a medal or says thank you! And it turns out in fact that not only are you doing everything wrong, but also everything is your fault.
I'm just so tired of watching myself and every single other woman tie herself into knots so that people will like us. And if all of that is also true for a doll just representing women, then I don't even know.”
This sentiment is only ever brought up when someones hypocrisy is exposed. No one ever says out of the blue, "fuck, we're all shit". It always starts out as targeting some group for the actions of a few.
Verily I say to all men,
Let's us not blanket blame the first group, then the second group won't be exposed as 1000x worse, and then have to say "oh well, everyone bad actually"
Those racist hateful ass people only care about NYC on 9/11. Every other day, NYC is an apocalyptic hellscape because there's non-white people and a Muslim Mayor who is doing his job.
Those dumb motherfuckers turned a blind eye to the administration that made a pandemic worse and it killed 1+ million Americans. That same administration tried to overturn an election, started wars and is making things worse in every way possible for everyone except their cronies.
Achtually, it's not that simple. One verse says Jews and Christians who believe in God and do good will be fine. Other verses say the Trinity is a dealbreaker and that any religion besides Islam won't be accepted. Muslim scholars have argued about it for centuries and never agreed.
The scholars do agree in the meaning of the verse, but not in its interpretation.
For example:
Group A says, "Every Christian and Jew who believed in Allah before the Quran was completed and did not fight the Prophet, will enter paradise, because they can't be held accountable."
Group B says, "Every Christian and Jew who believed in Allah before the Prophet Muhammed received his Prophethood, or did not meet him after, or did not hear of Islam, will enter heaven, because they can't be held accountable."
Group C says, "Every Jew and every unitarian Christian who did not hear of Islam, will enter heaven."
Group B today, is the consensus and majority position of our scholars.
The mouth breathers that think this way fought so hard not to have to wear a simple mask to protect millions vulnerable humans. They’re disgusting hypocrites.
If 9 year old zohran mamdani somehow was the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks, who not only managed to convince 20 grown adults to sacrifice themselves for his plan, to blame it on bin laden and has managed to stay concealed for 25 years after, then I say let the guy govern NYC, or even the whole country, because he's clearly been smarter aged 9 years than the entire american and worldwide surveillance & investigation apparatus and all their superiors & underlings.
These are the kind of people who would tell others to "move on" from things like slavery and genocides.
Their reasoning is that of self-centered hypocrites.
Yeah, kinda. Prejudice against Japanese Americans based on Pearl Harbor persisted through the 60s and into the 70s. The emergency detention camps laws weren't repealed until the 70s. Japanese people were ostracized from a lot of society during that time. They eventually formed movements and joined with the Civil Rights movements of the 70s due to their mistreatment.
Even after all those years on the internet, I'm still too optimistic. At first, I thought OOP is complaining about the Saudis renting a whole floor of Trump tower.
It's similar when I hear someone complain about people "cutting baby dicks off", and think yes, I agree with this person, we should ban circumcision. And then it turns out it's about when people willingly choose surgery.
The thing is, those people secretly admire individuals and organizations like Hitler and the KKK and they assume anyone slightly brown idolizes Middle East terrorists.
If everyone had to personally respond for the attrocities their ancestors commited, everyobody would spend their entire lives doing so. What about, instead, we judge people for what they personally do?
That is not to say that as a community we should not try to respond for what we have done in the past, just that it should not apply to individuals.
Reminder that one of Osama's main goals was to have Muslims in the west become hated and isolated so they would be easier to radicalize. Its good that at least enough people don't subscribe to this mentality enough to where they can get elected for public office. Even if MAGA is proudly carrying it on.
These have to be like those black Conservative accounts there is no way that someone with a functioning frontal lobe actually believes Mamdani has anything to do with the 9/11 terrorists. Especially when those same people will constantly bring up they were Saudi Arabian as a distinction between Muslims from Afghanistan or Iraq being responsible
So if they can make that distinction when in fits their argument then I’m sure they can put on their real boy pants and understand the difference between Saudis and some guy from NY
The problem -as nearly always- is the political right-wing. Islamists, Christian fundamentalists, Nationalists, fascists etc.. are all different right-wing ideologies just with different flavours. Sometimes they work together like Musk/Maga, the european right-wing and Putin, sometimes they fight each other like ISIS and Assad, sometimes they need each other for their power like Netanyahu and Hamas.
I have lived in California all of my life, and I'm over 75. I'm reminded of all the shit that got dumped on the heads of Japanese-Americans because of Pearl Harbor. I grew up with a guy whose parents lost their house and all their furniture. They spent three years in a concentration camp.
To be clear, I was born after the war and the internment camps, so all of my knowledge comes second-hand, from things Mrs. Ajari told my mom over coffee while I was in the other room pretending to read a magazine, and from history books.
While the second point is true, let’s not give the mongols, ottomans, Chinese, various Africans, the Comanches, etc the pass. Selective historical outrage is crazy. No society on earth is good if you zoom out far enough. People just suck.
So was Trump, bragging merely hours after that his building was now the tallest in lower Manhattan.
But to address your point, of course you'll find people celebrating horrible things done to their country's enemies. There are plenty in the US who are celebrating the genocide in Gaza currently, or those in the US, who loved what Hitler was doing between 1934 and 1945.
Except that this right after the US peace talks between the Israeli and PLO and after a huge increase to the tune of billions in aid to the Palestinians. And a few years later Israel withdrew from Gaza and the Palestinians with US support held democratic elections. When they voted in Hamas.
So was Bibi not saying 911 was good for Israel? He was fucking happy!
And I remember some certain people videotaping the towers fall, high fiving, and dancing in New York as it was happening, who were arrested, held for months, then quietly deported to......checks notes...
what?.....what the!?.....Israel?
Oh and they had several items in their possession that would point to them knowing about the attacks before they happened? Huh?!
Whoa whoa whoa.....that seems much more worthy of investigation, than some random kids in another uninvolved country, celebrating half way around the world....I mean them celebrating means nothing in the scheme of the things since we see shitty people celebrating tragedies all the fucking time, and we don't ever seem to conclude that anyone who looks like them must be evil and have their children blown to bits decades later.
And so what if a few people whose lives were generally destroyed by American policy were dancing. There are 2 billion Muslims, many of whose countries leaders were literally on TV denounced the attacks and many who fought in the wars on terrorism, to the point they were instrumental in the capture and killing of many Al Qaeda militants. The war on terror would have done fuck all without the help of local Muslims and the intelligence agencies and militaries of Muslim countries. Muslims died to do all these things, Muslim soldiers, Muslim politicians, Muslim civilians died in the push to end All Qaeda, so fuck you. More Muslims died in this pursuit than died in the attacks themselves, many of them died because of the terrorists they were helping to catch and kill.
Bin Laden was found by a regular citizen Muslim and he called in his location. If he didn't, America would still be looking for him, as he was found like a decade or more after 911. Congrats, a random cab driver Muslim did what a country with unlimited money and surveillance power couldn't do for......fucking 10 years!
I never once saw any thank you from any American to this cab driver.
And isn't it interesting so many Americans were celebrating the destruction of Iraq, Libya, Syria, Gaza, all countries that never attacked the US, based on their Christian hate? So in your book America is evil and deserves destroying right? I saw people laughing and dancing and generally enjoying the deaths of millions. Americans still laughing about slavery and what happened to Native Americans.
So....after all that, someone dancing in the streets doesnt mean you get to genocide other people that weren't dancing in the streets then, 25 years later.
If that were true, then Al Qaeda had every right to hit the towers because of all the deaths some Americans caused in the Middle East for the 50 years before 911. They were after all using the same dipshit logic you are using to try to link 911 on a whole different group. Which is something Israel has been trying to do since 911 to demonize all Palestinians.
If that were true, then Al Qaeda had every right to hit the towers because of all the deaths some Americans caused in the Middle East for the 50 years before 911.
I mean, that's literally what bin Laden said was his motive. Nice to know that Islamophobes have so much in common with him!
I'm pretty sure this comment is dropped by a bot or a copypasting propaganda farm. I've seen the exact comment wording and link many times, even replied a few times.
Remind me who was joking about having the tallest building in New York and was happy to accept a jet as a gift from Saudis who have a long history of funding terrorism?
Here’s that for a reminder the next time MAGA cultists like yourself start yapping in hypocrisy mode again.
I mean, the USA has only been around for 2.5 centuries so if it's taken "Asia" centuries to learn it, it's not surprising we haven't yet. Whatever it is.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Two7358 4h ago edited 3h ago
Do you remember this? When Trump genuflected to the saudis he was playing nice with the people who facilitated 911 - where was your outrage then?